 macyhEx-IspPremium,MVM
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| What about forced telco bundling? It's not just cable co's that are using bundling to force their services down your throat...and freeze out competition at the same time. The ILEC's are doing the same thing, and they are being even more two faced about it than the cable co's.
All ILEC's are willing to package residential and business ADSL with local dial tone and (where available) long distance for a discount, but won't give you any discount without local service dialtone..or ADSL after a "trial" contract. Don't forget, the ILEC's are also about to do away with line sharing so you can only get ADSL on your line from them, to boot. So they really do have monopoly on essential local dial tone for ADSL broadband users.
These are the same monopolies that are telling regulators:
- We lose money on residential dial tone, we can't discount it.
- We can't make any money on ADSL if we make it any cheaper.
- We won't roll out any more ADSL if we can't have a monopoly.
Simply put, by using the same bundling tactics, the ILEC's get to to have it both ways. And you get less choice as a result. So, why aren't the ILEC's being taken to task for this same issue?
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| said by macyh:
It's not just cable co's that are using bundling to force their services down your throat...and freeze out competition at the same time. The ILEC's are doing the same thing, and they are being even more two faced about it than the cable co's.
All ILEC's are willing to package residential and business ADSL with local dial tone and (where available) long distance for a discount, but won't give you any discount without local service dialtone..or ADSL after a "trial" contract. Don't forget, the ILEC's are also about to do away with line sharing so you can only get ADSL on your line from them, to boot. So they really do have monopoly on essential local dial tone for ADSL broadband users.
These are the same monopolies that are telling regulators:
- We lose money on residential dial tone, we can't discount it.
- We can't make any money on ADSL if we make it any cheaper.
- We won't roll out any more ADSL if we can't have a monopoly.
Simply put, by using the same bundling tactics, the ILEC's get to to have it both ways. And you get less choice as a result. So, why aren't the ILEC's being taken to task for this same issue?
Guy, as much as I hate to say this I think you are the only telco person in here, I thought this was about cable...
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 72276539Premium
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Atlanta, GA | All he is simply saying are the ILEC's get ripped a new arsehole for the same thing by all the anti-big business/anti-ILEC members yet cable gets a free walk in the park. ILEC's doing this is bad, cable doing it is ok. |
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 JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | reply to macyh
They should be. I believe I've seen indications of rumblings to do so as well. |
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said by 72276539:
All he is simply saying are the ILEC's get ripped a new arsehole for the same thing by all the anti-big business/anti-ILEC members yet cable gets a free walk in the park. ILEC's doing this is bad, cable doing it is ok.
If you read how it sounds it sounds like he is bashing the ILEC's again in a cable thread, that is why I questioned it..
You do have a point why should the ILEC's get ripped a new one, for the same thing the cable companies are doing??
Maybe I did not see the light... My bad... 
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I have no problem with bundling: I get Complete Choice, DSL, Unlimited Long Distance for about $115 a month. The argument here is that Comcast raised rates 33% for non-cable High-Speed customers. Isn't it $55 for non and $40 for cable customers? It is only $5 difference for DSL with my Telco (but I have to have the package to get true unlimited long distance so don't mind it.) If anything, I think Cable needs some regulation. As far as Telcos sharing their DSL, why should they? Cable has far more subscribers and IS the competition. I'll go with the local Bell everytime. Do you really think, if I wanted it, I would have some bozo install a T-1 line in my house without a Bell sign on his uniform? No, I don't think so. I don't have Comcast, but think most cable outfits are getting to be a rip-off. I found Dish to be a far better deal. |
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