 EFuddPremium
join:2001-09-08
Brownsville, OH | reply to Nightfall
Re: Bandwidth isn't free Why is everyone only focusing on the cost of the T-1's?
The entire point of showing what the dual T-1's cost compared to the T-3 was to show you that when you buy even more bandwidth the cost doesn't rise steeply. Its not speculation, as one person put it, that the cost of bandwidth goes down the more you buy.
Yes, a few people can saturate a connection. Thats what speed caps are for. Obviously these residential connections aren't meant for 24/7 use at full speed. I'm not arguing that they are.
I'm arguing that the cost of bandwidth does indeed go down(per mbit) when you buy more and I'm challenging someone to come up with their own factual figures to support why they think bandwidth is horrendously expensive instead of just saying 'bandwidth is expensive'. Which, so far, no-one has done.
I swear, you people are as bad as the news media when it comes to picking out one single thing a person says and twisting it to mean something else.
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 JakCrow
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Palo Alto, CA | Bandwidth isn't horrendously expensive, so they can't show that it is in any way, shape, or form. It's even cheaper today since there was a huge overbuild of infrastructure in the last few years that was never used because of the .com bomb. The bit quotas are just CYA attempts from the cablecos to a) delay the need for them to upgrade their lagging infrastructures and b) develop a new revenue stream. As soon as they start selling higher bit quotas at higher prices, you'll know it's true. |
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EFuddPremium
join:2001-09-08
Brownsville, OH | reply to Nightfall
Heres another interesting little bit of information. Usenetserver is a newsgroup feed provider. For $15/month you can download all you want from them with a speed cap of 2mbit/sec. No gigabyte caps. Just a simple speed cap. This just happened about 6 months ago. They used to have bitcaps.
So why did they go to 'all you can eat' from bitcaps if bandwidth is so expensive?
Heres a link to their site.
»www.usenetserver.com/
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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| said by EFudd:
Heres another interesting little bit of information. Usenetserver is a newsgroup feed provider. For $15/month you can download all you want from them with a speed cap of 2mbit/sec. No gigabyte caps. Just a simple speed cap. This just happened about 6 months ago. They used to have bitcaps.
So why did they go to 'all you can eat' from bitcaps if bandwidth is so expensive?
Heres a link to their site.
»www.usenetserver.com/
You really cannot take an example such as a usenet server and apply it to the broadband industry. Speculating that prices are cheap without solid proof is not a way to prove your theory. Same way with people saying prices are expensive. No way to prove it until solid numbers come out. I merely said I would like to see solid numbers from broadband providers showing how much the true cost of bandwidth is. All your examples haven't proven or shown anything.
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EFuddPremium
join:2001-09-08
Brownsville, OH
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Ok, so my showing $2800 for dual T-1's with a full class C ip range going to $8800 for a T-3 with a full class C ip range doesn't show that the more bandwidth you buy the cheaper it gets? 15 times the bandwidth for 3 times the price doesn't show that its not thoery but fact? This is from UUNET here in columbus. This is not numbers being pulled out of thin air. These are 'solid numbers', as you put it.
Correction to price of those Dual T-1's = $2400. So 3.5 times the price instead of 3 times.
Ok, I can live with not using usenet server as an example, because I dont have the numbers they pay?
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NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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Grand Rapids, MI Reviews:
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| said by EFudd:
Ok, so my showing $2800 for dual T-1's with a full class C ip range going to $8800 for a T-3 with a full class C ip range doesn't show that the more bandwidth you buy the cheaper it gets? 15 times the bandwidth for 3 times the price doesn't show that its not thoery but fact? This is from UUNET here in columbus. This is not numbers being pulled out of thin air. These are 'solid numbers', as you put it.
Correction to price of those Dual T-1's = $2400. So 3.5 times the price instead of 3 times.
Ok, I can live with not using usenet server as an example, because I dont have the numbers they pay?
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[text was edited by author 2003-04-12 00:36:10]
Solid numbers yes, but not for the broadband industry. The providers have a certain price depending on the area you live in. Sure, we can say, the more you buy the cheaper it is...but is that really true? Do we have solid evidence that is the way the bandwidth providers price things for broadband providers? The truth is we have none. That is my point. The truth is what I and others here want to see. I am tired of the guessing and speculation.
However, as I said before, it is something we probably won't see for a long time.
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