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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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Re: Jeez said by PersonelDaze:
It is a matter of perspective. If you are a new customer looking at the difference between seperate internet & cable charges, a bundled package is a discount. If you have had the broadband service and the rate is raised to encourage you to purchase the cable TV package that you do not currently have nor want, then it's a raise in fee...
Maybe it isn't against the law. But after having rates raised in this manner for broadband customers who were with AT&T, I wouldn't be too happy if I stayed on with the Comcast merger & had this happen yet once again...and not everyone has the choice of switching to DSL or another cable provider in their area. Dial-up access has its limitations, which is why there is a broadband market in the first place. This is why monopolies may be favored by the stockholders, but not the comsumer...
I agree with your statements.
As you said, it depends on your point of view. If you are a new customer, do you get both cable TV and internet and get a discount or do you just get internet and pay more. The problem is that Comcast is doing this in midstream, which is just pissing everyone off. Probably, the way to handle the situation is to make ALL new customers who want just internet to pay more. If you have both services currently, and you cancel cable TV, then the new pricing should take effect. The issue is a lot of people have cable internet, but not cable TV and are using a dish. Therefore, it is a rate hike to them.
I just don't see it as a hike personally.
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 KaltesPremium
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by nightfall:
#1.
Some people see this as a rate hike while others see a discount. I personally see this as a discount.
#2.
The issue is a lot of people have cable internet, but not cable TV and are using a dish. Therefore, it is a rate hike to them.
I just don't see it as a hike personally.
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Thanks for completely undercutting your own argument. You flat out admit that this *IS* a rate hike, depending how the consumer is situated. You do not have cableHSI+Satt so the rate hike DOES NOT AFFECT YOU, but that does not mean it is not a hike. Comcast is selectively raising prices. Your previous arguments are like saying that, because property taxes doubled, and you own no property, therefore there was no tax hike. That kind of reasoning is nihilistic and fallacious.
And please don't try to compare it to bundled DISCOUNTS like fast food. If McDonalds kept the combo meal prices the same, then raised their $0.99 menu to be a $1.33 menu, that would be a price hike too.
In the end it is very simple: a discount rewards people who buy something, it does not punish people who fail to buy something. There is the carrot and the stick, and you are confusing the two. Comcast employed the stick, not the carrot. The two are not the same.
It is a rate hike, and it affected myself and MANY others. I was forced to buy basic cable for $9.95 in order to mitigate my losses, even though I don't even own a TV.
Comcast wont tell you about $9.95 cable though. I called them and asked them what the cheapest cable plan I could get was, and they told me digital for like $52, then I asked "what about analog?" and they said "oh thats about $40 but we are phasing that out." So then after asking again if they were sure there was nothing cheaper, I said "I read that there is some kind of $10 service, why can't I get that??" and the salesperson says "Oh yes we offer that too."
So people, YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. I'm sure all you well-informed people in this forum know about $10 basic cable, but most of my friends didn't know it even existed. I would not have known myself if I didnt read BBR forums. There is no mention of it for sale on Comcast's website. | |
NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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| quote:
Thanks for completely undercutting your own argument. You flat out admit that this *IS* a rate hike, depending how the consumer is situated. You do not have cableHSI+Satt so the rate hike DOES NOT AFFECT YOU, but that does not mean it is not a hike.
Thanks for taking my words out of context. I said, it is a rate hike to them, but I just don't see it as a hike personally. I never said it was a rate hike in my opinion. In fact, I said "I don't see it as a hike". I never said I use cable TV and not a dish so I don't know where you are getting that information. Sorry, but taking what I say and mixing it around then posting it to try to prove your point upsets me. It would help if you would read my posts.
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And please don't try to compare it to bundled DISCOUNTS like fast food. If McDonalds kept the combo meal prices the same, then raised their $0.99 menu to be a $1.33 menu, that would be a price hike too.
To you who are buying just the Big Mac for $2.00. If they raise the price to $2.50 for just the sandwidch and the price for the value meal has stayed at $3.50. Is that a rate hike? To you maybe. To me, it is buying in the bundle to save money. Even if you consider it a hike to you, McDonalds or Comcast has a right to price their product accordingly. If you don't want to buy the bundle, then spend a little more and get the one service you do want. Simple decision.
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In the end it is very simple: a discount rewards people who buy something, it does not punish people who fail to buy something. There is the carrot and the stick, and you are confusing the two. Comcast employed the stick, not the carrot. The two are not the same.
Uh....
A discount rewards people who buy multiple services or products. You want to call it punishment when someone just wants just a Big Mac but not the meal and gets charged more for it? Hint, this happens everywhere where you purchase bundled services. You have a choice. Either pay for one, or pay a little more and get your package deal.
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 KoolMoeAw ManPremium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD | reply to Kaltes
Run your cable TV line to your neighbor's house, assuming he has no use for cable internet. He drops his basic cable package, uses yours, you charge him $10 a month...
Would that be illegal? It's not 'stealing' since you're not watching it... Just making the best of a forced situation...
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Thank you for concurring. But I'm afraid that you have missed much of my point. Maybe you don't see it as a hike as it may not directly affect you. I suspect that the people who are affected see it differently. Here we have a change in price structure that results in people who do not have or likely not even want an additional service (e.g., cable TV)asked to pay more for a service that is already being provided, after experiencing a number of previous hikes under AT&T. This policy is essentially penalizing existing customers (& those who have no other broadband options)in favor of new customers who would likely have ordered both anyway. In terms of the problem of "lots of people who have cable internet but not cable TV", I can think of at least a dozen family & freinds who have cable TV, but only one who has cable internet (& also has the cable TV as well). Cable TV has been around & established for quite some time, so I am not quite clear on your reasoning here. Increasing prices may be an unfortunate fact of life (due to inflation, etc.), but if business wants to justify them (& decreasing regulations on their industry), they need to be fair, especially where they are the only show in town... | |
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