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Where can I find if I can get att dsl or msn dsl ?

MSN used Northpoint for everything, they aren't even advertising DSL.
AT&T, well they just suck.... they also don't do IDSL.

I know Covad DOES do IDSL. You could get it from them directly, or through a reseller, like SpeakEasy. The only way to find out is to go to the Covad website (www.covad.net) and fill in the form.
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reply to Ultrakill
I already tried that
Thats why Im trying with att
Northpoint and bellsouth are the only ones who can give me dsl and northpoint was the only one who could give me idsl
Im desperate to get out of my 300 ping
ATT do provide dsl (I think) I found a page yesterday
But I cant qualify with it
here is the page if anyone wants some info:
»www.ipservices.att.com/products/···=pricing

Northpoint and bellsouth are the only ones who can give me dsl and northpoint was the only one who could give me idsl

Sounds like you have your answer, then. NorthPoint, as you know, is defunct. Rhythms and Covad will probably do IDSL for you, if they're in your CO, but not at "consumer" (usually called "residential") rates. So unless they're in your CO and you're willing to pay business rates, I'm afraid you're out of luck.

The price of xDSL is going up, not down. The days of free installs and free xDSL modems is pretty much at an end, as well.
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I think Im out of luck
Unless att can server here
Neither Covad or Rhythms can give me service

I think Im out of luck

I'm afraid so :-(

Unless att can server here

If all you qualify for is IDSL (because of distance and loop quality), you're probably still out of luck. Somehow I doubt AT&T will do IDSL.

Neither Covad or Rhythms can give me service

Really? Or is it that you're not willing to pay the price? "Business" xDSL is not limited to business addresses or districts. It simply defines the class of service. I have SOHO (Small Office/Home Office) business IDSL here at home. Thing is: what cost me $400 for the router (installation was free) and $70/mo. now costs upwards of $700 for router+installation (last I looked) and $100/mo. Covad and Rhythms no longer do "consumer-grade" IDSL installs. Too expensive to install for the marginal return. And, at the end, even NorthPoint (I believe) stopped doing IDSL except for business accounts.

Sorry about your luck. Maybe your ILEC will someday deploy "RTs" like SBC/Ameritech is doing, and you'll at least be able to get TelCo ADSL. Wouldn't be my first choice, but if it's all you can get...
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Sorry to tell you this jim but adsl has a line quality of 15000 ft at max. This is why most telco's wont do dsl for people only able to get IDSL and why they wont do IDSL because ISDN is more profitable for them. ISDN costs more is less reliable and alot less bandwidth.

Sorry to tell you this jim but adsl has a line quality of 15000 ft at max.

Or there-abouts. I knew that. I don't understand how this relates to any of the points I had made, tho.

This is why most telco's wont do dsl for people only able to get IDSL and why they wont do IDSL because ISDN is more profitable for them. ISDN costs more is less reliable and alot less bandwidth.

??? How can ISDN use "a lot less bandwidth" than DSL running over ISDN? I cannot speak as to the "costs more" issue (tho I guess that's pretty much what I was saying, anyway), but where do you get "less reliable?" As far as "alot less bandwith", surely you don't mean as compared to IDSL, because that simply is not true.

Anyway, color me dense this morning, but I fail to see exactly how your comments relate to mine.
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reply to GarageJoe
My problem isnt distance (Im at 10400 ft) and I cant get adsl bellsouth adsl because of fiber )
Cable is out of the question it seems, so Im trying to find any idsl at least (Im a gamer and bandwith isnt my main necesity)
I tried covad and rhythims with bussiness, home office and residential and nothing
I dont think there is wireless here and satellite sucks for gaming
I think Im stuck
All because of the fiber phone line D:
Thanks anyways

reply to Ultrakill
Jim, wasnt arguing a point with you but merely comparing some information that I felt might have needed clarification. ADSL has ALOT more bandwidth (atleast on the DL side) than ISDN. This is the comparision i was making for when and if the RT's were installed. If he is only able to receive IDSL now likely however doing some typical calculations even ISDN would likely prove less reliable and perhaps even similar and possibly less bandwidth than ISDN likely though as you stated it would be comparable to speeds of UP and DOWN of ISDN. Dont worry if I dont make sense its probably not you, likely its me. But any questions you would like to discuss i would be more than happy to share my outside field experience or inside tech experenice if you would like.
Matthew

For your information- ISDN is 10 times more reliable than any cable or dsl service. I was 27,000ft from the CO and had ISDN for 3 years. Never once, not even for one second have I had a disruption of service.
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Had ISDN for over 4 years and never had a disruption. ISDN is extremely reliable.

reply to Ultrakill
Then i must say to you gentlemen that you are the exception to the rule. Like I have stated in other threads I used to work for USWest (now Qwest) before I worked for Covad and NP. And I can say from experience that most people didnt see the reliability you both did. Just stating facts based on experience.
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Garage Joe how long ago was your US West experience?

Also have you worked on ISDN for other carriers. I can tell you that in most GTE/Verizon areas we never had a reliability issue. It just worked even out to the extremes.

Indeed. This is the first time I've ever heard of ISDN being accused of being unreliable. I used ISDN to the U.K. and never had a problem with it. In fact (it was dial-on-demand): I was impressed with how fast it would come up on demand. Usually within one or two seconds of the demand. I also had two acquaintances that used ISDN with their ISPs here in Michigan. One of them had occasional problems getting his link to come up, but the other seemed pleased with it.
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reply to cmaenginsb
Well I will admit I dont have alot of experience with it. But in the five yrs i was installing it. We had alot of reconditioning we had to do for for repair on ISDN circuits. Also the dial on demand would go down relatively soon after the handshake was complete. I stand corrected if this is not true in all areas. From experience I had come to assume(perhaps incorrectly) that ISDN was no more reliable than DSL was, and in comparison was alot more experience.
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Just go on AT&T Site and Type in DSL it find a Link to it and they Do Service IDSL but its runs 90 a month for Single user but u can always proxy it and for multi they want 130 but Modem runs 450 for any of the multi Service.

I'm trying AT&T out I got a promo where everything free. 50 a month for 608k/128k. I think AT&T uses Efficient network for there CLEC.

Ok I think they were updating their areas with the buy out because I now can get dsl!!!!!
I am so happy
Even if its 90bucks a month for 144k
My main aim is gaming
So I will try it a month , if the ping is good I might stay with it, but if its over 100 I think most of you agree that is a waste of money for 144k
THanks for the responses
I will keep you posted

I called and they said I can get the service and all
They told me installation was free and I thought w00t!
But then she said the router was 450$
WTF???????????????
I told her I dont need a fukin router, but she said it had to come with the dsl package
They are charging installation price with the godammed router and you dont even need it
She said I need the router, so I told her I had mine and she said you have to pay for att router!!!
$!@#)(&)$!)&$)&!
They dont mention it in the page but they do mention FREE INSTALL!%#))@ Im very pissed right now
I asked her if this was for IDSL only and she told me that for other dsl you need the router too
I HATE ATT!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can lease the router for 40$ a month!!!!! WOAH!! she said it like it was 1$ a month
GGGGGGRRRRRR
I better step away of the forum b4 I start insulting [H]ard
All I wanted was a stable ping

I called and they said I can get the service and all
...
I told her I dont need a ... router, but she said it had to come with the dsl package

Imagine my surprise. I wonder if this is the "new" AT&T DSL using NorthPoint's old equipment, or something they already had? And I wonder if they're pulling the same stunt M$ did with their version of NorthPoint's DSL: lock the user out of the router?
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