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Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r6612954 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:00:38 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:00:38 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6648264 Uno3whO : First of all, I know that people make money off of these concerts...that is precisely the point I was trying to make. If you would have read the comment I replied to you would understand that. I think that you are a sucker, too, for complaining all the time about P2P networks. Just because you aren't able enough to benefit from the P2P networks doesn't mean that it is wrong for others to use it. How do you think the music gets there in the first place? From people BUYING the albums!! I don't think it is a big deal for people to trade and share their music when millions of people are buying the overpriced cd's everyday anyway. And, I didn't call him a sucker for buying music, I buy music. I called him a sucker for being totally oblivious to the fact that these millionaire artists make millions from each tour. Get your shit straight before you respond.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6648264 Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:20:43 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6645028 cableblows3 : HR>I'm glad we agree. It's not an "entitlement" if that's what you mean. At the same time it's hard to ignore the fact that so many of us would gladly pay for it if there were a legal way to get exactly what we want for a reasonable price. [/QUOTE]
Thank You Very Much!!!! Nuff Said!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6645028 Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:56:05 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6645024 cableblows3 :

said by boogie74 :

said by Cyron :
Do you know how much a Madonna concert ticket costs? If I support an artist, I do it buying concert tickets, and there's now way in hell I'm paying $85 dollars for a general admission ticket.

Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.

Did you honestly believe it was just coincidence that concerts always tend to focus on ONE album- the latest one out? And they play the CRAP that some hate! Oh, they'll play some of their best stuff to motivate the audience- but out of the 10-12 songs (at most) that are played, at least 7 to 9 of them will be from the same, newest album (usually the title of the tour, no less).

In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.

Boogie

let me add to that by saying "BS" you want us to think they go to all that trouble, travel, and frigging headache for nothing??? you think we are as old and feeble minded as she is? get a life]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6645024 Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:49:43 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6628580 boogie74 :

said by Uno3whO :
Don't give me that bull---t about the money not going to the artist. They do not drive around the country for free, out of the kindness of their heart, to only promote their album sales. If that was the case, then why do we pay for the concert? Why are more popular artists more expensive than others? Where does that money go? I think you're comment is ineffectual, if anyone's, and you can continue paying ridiculous prices to help promote this bitch's new album....sucker!

Are you assuming that the venue gets nothing, that the tour sponsor gets nothing, that the local technical crews are volunteer and that the band is paid nothing from the venue itself?

My point is simply that bands have concerts to promote themselves and sell albums- not to sell tickets per se.

I find it odd that you call someone willing to pay for music instead of stealing it (who also has differing musical tastes than you) "a sucker."

Boogie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6628580 Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:57:48 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6628452 Uno3whO : Don't give me that bull---t about the money not going to the artist. They do not drive around the country for free, out of the kindness of their heart, to only promote their album sales. If that was the case, then why do we pay for the concert? Why are more popular artists more expensive than others? Where does that money go? I think you're comment is ineffectual, if anyone's, and you can continue paying ridiculous prices to help promote this bitch's new album....sucker!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6628452 Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:44:33 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6625877 ravital :

said by boogie74 :
The rest of my subsequent post was directed at the droves of people here on DSLR that hold the opinion that they are entitled to obtain music without paying for it because of the following empty if not completely false reasons:

I'm glad we agree. It's not an "entitlement" if that's what you mean. At the same time it's hard to ignore the fact that so many of us would gladly pay for it if there were a legal way to get exactly what we want for a reasonable price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6625877 Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:23:49 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6624342 ComputerGod : I like to try and then buy as well. I will download a song or two or five, if I like what I hear, the album comes into my collection. If not, the songs are deleted and life goes on. I was recently turned onto some old Theatre of Tragedy, downloaded it, then bought that album. Had I not sampled the new album, I would have very mistakenly purchased a brit-pop cd which is a vast difference over the metal they played in the album I now own. Evolution is not always good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6624342 Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:54:58 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6622543 spaijkull : I hope we can copy the f*ck out of all music out there right now. I dont think music is a commodity like any other and the bands that are put together just to earn a lot of cash deserve to go under (Spears and Nsync come to mind). If I want to pay for music I will. I am not paying first and listening later. Last year I spent 600 dollars on Cd's that I liked. I try - then I buy - if I feel it is worth the money. Hopefully we can end this blatant commercialism and get some real frickin artists that produce music for fun and have a real job on the side. I am also extremely happy to hear that Madonnas website got hacked today. Haha, she picked the wrong group to mess around with.
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said by boogie74:
It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.

Read carefully. I'm only going to waste my time once.

Intellectual -1 a : of or relating to the intellect or its use b : developed or chiefly guided by the intellect rather than by emotion or experience : RATIONAL c : requiring use of the intellect
2 a : given to study, reflection, and speculation b : engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect

Property - 1 a : a quality or trait belonging and especially peculiar to an individual or thing b : an effect that an object has on another object or on the senses c : VIRTUE 3 d : an attribute common to all members of a class
2 a : something owned or possessed; specifically : a piece of real estate b : the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing : OWNERSHIP c : something to which a person or business has a legal title d : one (as a performer) under contract whose work is especially valuable
3 : an article or object used in a play or motion picture except painted scenery and costumes

Since you are such the model of intellectual rigor; explain to the audience, in pratical terms; how an individual, or an entity, could own an intellectual concept, otherwise known as an idea?

How long could an individual, or entity prevent this idea from being stolen and being reproduced, once the idea is presented publicly?

How long can an idea, especially a popular one, be contained or restricted, when presented publicly?

What political and economic systems can possibly be successful in limiting a publicly expressed idea for an indefinite period of time?

Answer these questions, and I might just continue wasting my intellectual property on you.

Have a good one.

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Shark...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6621458 Sun, 20 Apr 2003 17:41:14 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6621165 BosstonesOwn :

quote:

My response to these attitudes and more is simple: Yes, people as a whole will try to get away with as much as they can at any one given point of time. Does that mean that it is still ok?

Boogie

sure download away the riaa has done stuff to drasticlly tip the scales in thier favor to keep getting repeatative pay. for instance the ability to sample a track created 20 years ago. yeah you gotta pay for stuff like that.

the riaa is defunct and the people know it. now trying to get the goverment to understand it is a different animal.

it's a game of cat and mouse and the riaa is trying to stop the game. they play these games in software piracy as well. they change key check alagorythms froms version to version or they update the methods to make it stronger.

it's done all over. my tax's should not be tied up in courts and stuff due to the riaa trying to maintain it's strong hold on the people who create music. these people like madonna are nothing more then corporate shills. they are told what to say and when to say it in fear of their cash cows being slaughtered for meat.

it's all in the game of life. it's a cat and mouse game. if the riaa wants to protect it's media go right ahead but be it known people won't stand for it and will stop buying it if they get out of hand.

did microsoft stop selling win xp when it was under scrutiny for it's piracy protection ??? no they stepped up and acted on what they new. so they let the updates take care of it, while also being non invasive now.

imagine that a company actually trying to protect it's cash cow the right way by building security and not tieing up peoples money in court. why doesn't the riaa do the same ??? why spend our money we can spend theirs....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6621165 Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:49:09 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6619085 boogie74 :

said by ravital :

said by boogie74 :
So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too. It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.
All that because I had the nerve to correct you and point out that many performers do concerts in order to make money from concerts, and not just to promote an album or any album? Don't know what cross you bear, but I don't want any part of it.
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Actually, your post happened to be the one that I hit "reply" on. I wasn't intending my post to be directed at you for solely responding to me.

I agreed with your post. The rest of my subsequent post was directed at the droves of people here on DSLR that hold the opinion that they are entitled to obtain music without paying for it because of the following empty if not completely false reasons:

1. Music today sucks.
2. Artists make no money from album sales anyways
3. P2P networking would expand DSL deployment.
4. The RIAA is a huge international conspiracy to fill our minds with "Boy Bands" and "New Pop Culture"
5. CD's are way overpriced at $30-75 per CD (I buy CD's for about $11, btw)
6. "I don't like all the songs on the CD, so until they find a way to sell me songs at $0.50 per song, I'll download them for free"
7. Madonna sucks.

My response to these attitudes and more is simple: Yes, people as a whole will try to get away with as much as they can at any one given point of time. Does that mean that it is still ok?

Boogie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6619085 Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:25:35 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6617538 ravital :

said by boogie74 :
So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too. It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.

All that because I had the nerve to correct you and point out that many performers do concerts in order to make money from concerts, and not just to promote an album or any album? Don't know what cross you bear, but I don't want any part of it.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6617538 Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:42:52 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6615800 HarleyDMan : I guess when you look at it purely at the root of the problem, it's basically a "right or wrong" thing according to the law of the land, not according to your conscience. As long as there is a way to "beat" the system, some will do it and justify it anyway they can whether it's right or wrong, legal or illegal. As soon as technology comes up with a way to control the media swappage over P2P, there will be another venue available to beat the system all over again.

The point of it all is whether you can look at yourself in the mirror every morning and sleep well every night based upon what you did in between. Human nature will never change, nor will the power of money of those who wish to control it. All the pontificators arguing the supposedly finer points are just wasting their time.
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said by boogie74 :
So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too.

Boogie

P2P isn't squeezing any artist dry of any money they would get from record sales, concerts, endorsements or whatever. The RIAA has no case regarding file trading making them lose money. As a matter of fact indy labels are getting a nice and steady increase in sales. Regading concert tours yes an artist with a large label will make tons more touring than they would on CD sales. Your milage may vary with indy labels as they tend to have a higher royalty rate for the artists and, as you said, touring venues may not be as profitable depending on the act.
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But you are claiming that it is ok to obtain music by downloading it from a P2P and reimburse the artist by going to a concert once or twice every 5 years instead.

When a painter paints something, he/she does it to sell it. Whether that artist hires someone to promote the art or he sells it himself on e-bay is not the point. He would NEVER tell you that it's ok if you sat down and copied it for free (no matter how talented you are). He would never allow you to make millions of color photo-copies of it (even at your own expense) so you can distribute it to others (neither friends nor strangers). His motive is to SELL it to you for a PROFIT. He may go out on "tour" and show his art to people at museums, art shows, etc, but this is in an effort to SELL more of his art!

You can complain that you only like HALF of the painting that he made (the other half is ugly and you plan on cutting it off). But he won't just give you the corner of the canvas you happen to like. You HAVE to buy the whole thing. After that, you're welcome to cut it up as you like. But you AREN'T welcome to make copies of it to distribute to your friends- because they shouldn't have to pay for the art too.

So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too. It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.

Boogie ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6612598 Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:43:53 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6611934 Cyron : I hate to break this to you, but U2 made over 75 million in touring last year alone. Paul McCartney, playing less than 20 shows made over 20 million (that's over a million per show profit). Ticket prices for the biggest acts average well over $100, so bands like U2, the Rolling Stones, and Madonna make a killing. Even bands whose concert tickets average under $40 dollars (Widespread Panic, The Allman Brothers) make millions touring.

I know the ticket venues and Ticketmaster get a large chunk of ticket sales and concessions, the artist still profits much more from concerts than record sales.

You were right that touring is used to promote album sales. Which is why the RIAA includes mandatory tour details in all of their contracts. The recording industry doesn't pay a dime for touring anymore (most tours now get a corporate sponsor), so any boost in record sales is pure gravy for them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6611934 Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:16:31 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6610319 EFudd : Madonna once said, once you make so much money it looses its meaning. I learned a valuable lesson that day.

Now she does this. I have again learned a valuable lesson. Money still has meaning to her.
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I hardly think you would like for it to be said that you are already making 40,000.00/year, and are able to meet your expenses so you don't "need" any further compensation. Is anyone really in a position to say that X amount of income is sufficient for any one human, and anything above is negligible? I know that personally, as my income has increased, so have my tastes and standard of living. Even Bill Gates can live beyond his means.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6609881 Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:16:44 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6609638 Maxo : I'm 22. It's true that most modern vocalist are just performers and not artists. This is true for older bands also like Tom Jones n' such. They are performers. Madonna is also a performer.
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But i will check on those and and take your word for it.
I guess i should have been more precise to say "Modern vocalists"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6609007 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 23:44:35 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6608691 Maxo :

quote:
In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.

He is right that bands like Madonna do tour only to promote their able. Yes there are bands that do not tour because of this. Lots of smaller bands tour only for fun or for various other reasons. But with large bands it is a different story. First of all they don't set the price. The fact that her tickets cost that much is not up to Madonna. This problem is the reason that Pearl Jam was sueing ticket master about 10 years ago. I've heard that Rage Against the Machine has tried to fight this also.
For a band like Atom & His Package or Alien Sex Fiend the prices still aren't decided by the band. There is some influence by the band because usually the band will charge a flat fee and then ask for a certain percentage of the money that comes from the door. But comparing Madonna's touring reasons to those of some small underground group you listen to you are comparing apples to oranges.
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said by boogie74 :

In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.

Simply put, your info is wrong. Artists make much more $$$ by touring than CD sales.

Regards,

Doctor Olds
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said by boogie74 :
Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.

There are plenty of examples of recording and previously recorded artists giving concerts to make money. Janis Ian comes to mind - in 25 years she has gotten from her label nothing but statements showing HER owing THEM money. So she makes her money from merchandising and concert tours, and it's difficult to say she concentrates on one album, given she hasn't recorded any in a while. Joni Mitchell is another one - if and when she still does concerts. I'm sure there are plenty more, despite what you wish to believe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6607428 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:33:21 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6607403 MrTangent :

said by boogie74 :
Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.

Did you honestly believe it was just coincidence that concerts always tend to focus on ONE album- the latest one out? And they play the CRAP that some hate! Oh, they'll play some of their best stuff to motivate the audience- but out of the 10-12 songs (at most) that are played, at least 7 to 9 of them will be from the same, newest album (usually the title of the tour, no less).

In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.

Boogie

Agreed for the most part. It should also be said that a great number of artists don't tour. For instance, a lot of bands I listen to (various noise/ambient/experimental/industrial) are unable to tour due to financial restraints. They're also logistically unable to travel to where their fan base is (it's not unusual for, say, a Swedish band like Covenant to be big in America and shipping all your gear to play a foreign gig is very expensive).

It's also a bit hard for some electronic (or complex studio bands like Mr. Bungle) bands to "translate" their extremely dense sonic maelstrom to a live venue. Often bands like NIN/Skinny Puppy are left putting a great deal of the show on DAT since it's not possible to play 30-40 synth parts at one time. And for this limitation a lot of bands aren't able to tour, or have a large label behind them to help pay for the tour expenses. Anyway, tours are only really profitable if you're a big artist. It's a double-edged sword in that way. And that's why buying the music is especially important to the independent and lesser known artists. Otherwise they may not be around to make music next time.
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said by Cyron :
Do you know how much a Madonna concert ticket costs? If I support an artist, I do it buying concert tickets, and there's now way in hell I'm paying $85 dollars for a general admission ticket.

Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.

Did you honestly believe it was just coincidence that concerts always tend to focus on ONE album- the latest one out? And they play the CRAP that some hate! Oh, they'll play some of their best stuff to motivate the audience- but out of the 10-12 songs (at most) that are played, at least 7 to 9 of them will be from the same, newest album (usually the title of the tour, no less).

In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.

Boogie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6607204 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:05:45 EDT err http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6606435 BosstonesOwn : u got a place one can download this ??? i use linux and no p2p but i really wanna get a laugh outta this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6606435 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:15:28 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6606160 kfsutops :

said by djrobx :
I love it. I fired up Kazaa just to find the bad version. :)

I wonder how many people are doing that just this minute. Come to think of it, I might do the same.

Dangit! I got the real song on the first shot...Now I have to delete this crap.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6606160 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:45:23 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6605807 Maxo :

quote:
you play an actual instrument (Voice doesnt count) then i call you an artist

Singing is definitely an art form. Listen to Ella Fitzgerald or Buddy Holiday. If that's not art then neither is the Moonlight Sonata.
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[text was edited by author 2003-04-18 16:59:48]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6605807 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:59:13 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6605290 djrobx : I love it. I fired up Kazaa just to find the bad version. :)

$1.50 for bon-a-fide unencrypted 192kbps MP3 is great with me. I bought it just out of principle (although her website sucks). At least she's giving a proper alternative to piracy, which is more than I can say for the rest of the record industry. The 7 megabyte MP3 downloaded at full speed (410KB/sec on my line). I love that it gives you the choice of 128, 192 or "Windows Media with DRM". Who would pick that?

You also get a special message from Madonna thanking you for your support (which acoustically sounds like it was recorded at the same time as "what the f..." messsage was LOL).

Wish more artists would make their songs available on MP3 like this.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6605290 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 16:02:29 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6604758 CO_Chris : i found it and its funny.., she is wacked..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6604758 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:09:22 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6604623 C_ : thats what you should except to hear when you download something as crappy as madonna's music :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6604623 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:56:23 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6604559 TheHelpful1 : I totally agree with supporting the lesser known artists. I just bought my first cd in..oh about 5 years. Group called "Evanescence". Really great group from Ak.

"Artists" such as "mad donna" give true artists a bad name.

I always had this distinction. If you play an actual instrument (Voice doesnt count) then i call you an artist, e.g. Michelle Branch, Sarah McLachlan, etc.
If you just sing, but write your own songs, then i call you a performer, e.g. Andrea Coor, etc.
But if you just sing, and dont even write your own songs, then i just call you "entertainment", e.g. most others.

I'd rant more but class is starting :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6604559 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 14:50:18 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6603674 CO_Chris : i have to agree with that.. i dont have the Ver yet but i do know the song SUX thats for sure
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Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6603338 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 12:01:32 EDT Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6603230 Cyron : Do you know how much a Madonna concert ticket costs? If I support an artist, I do it buying concert tickets, and there's now way in hell I'm paying $85 dollars for a general admission ticket.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6603230 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:46:32 EDT That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6602970 MrTangent :

Instead of being greeted with music when played however, downloaders will be greeted by Madonna herself, asking them "What the f--- do you think you?re doing?"

Only Madonna! Hahah. That's just funny. I can imagine some of her fans going, "what the hell!?" when they hear that. It won't work on a large scale but it might deter a few fans from pirating her music. I can only hope so. Although she is a millionaire many times over and doesn't really "need" the income, "fans" should be supporting the artist. Especially the independent, lesser known ones.
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