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russotto

join:2000-10-05
West Orange, NJ

NAT detection can be defeated

Pre-increment the TTL on your OS and use pseudo-random packet ids (some BSDs) and you can eliminate the problem without changing the NAT. NAT which re-writes the packet IDs and doesn't decrement the TTL will work also. Of course the "Super-DMCA" legislation might make NAT improvements illegal.

Best is to use a provider which doesn't object to NAT, but when you're stuck with The Phone Company and/or The Cable Company, that's not always an option.

jim78

join:2001-03-31
Clay, NY

I dont think most isp care how many computers most people have.
When i had adelphia cable I told them I had a home network the tech even came to my house on a number of times to check poor pings and to run new cables to computer they never charged extra.
Now i moved to timewarrner roadrunner same thing they know i have a router and 4 computers on it there sign up page even says you can have extra computers on just if you want them to set them up there is a 1 time charge of about 20.00 per computer.
Its not something most isp want to check they only care if you uncap there modem (i did it worked for 6 hours before they turned me off,had to really beg to get it turned back on)and if you are one of those p2p superservers that use 114 gig a month like the guy i just read about in fourm.even he was told if he uses that much bandwith for 25.00 extra a month they would up his bandwith cap to 3000/512.
I think every one should forget about them somehow checking how many computers are behind a router because if the new DMCA laws pass routers will be outlawed


DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19

Well the largest broadband ISP (Comcast) cares (so you should care).


MrBentor

join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA

reply to russotto
Interestingly, one of my providers strongly encourages the use of NAT's and they discourage connecting any computer directly to the line. They say it is a bad idea to connect directly as it is poor security.


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