Re: Justification? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r6743159 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:25:10 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:25:10 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6745197 SOLdesign : really? thats odd, since when I asked John Peacock, he said we were not on the list to be upgraded in the next year. Do you have different info?
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said by MacLeech See Profile:
After searching through about a dozen different channel line-ups for that part of Florida, I finally found 1 with a 52 channel line up. I never realized just how fragmented that part of the Florida region was... ouch. But your right, every other system surrounding yours has more channels


Now do you understand why I get so frustrated with Adelphia? It would seem to make more sense (and cost effective) for Adelphia to have less fragmented systems and provide a more consistent service. If you check the network status page, you get about 4 listings for Boynton Beach alone with PowerLink. My issues are not so much about the channels, but the prices paid for it. People that are still on the ancient systems pay the same as people on a system with better/more channels (go ahead and throw the TOS at me on this one :)).

said by MacLeech See Profile:
Which is why Adelphia has been in the process of upgrading the entire region around State Highway 7 since they aquired those systems. Of course the bankruptcy delayed things but the area that isn't fully upgraded is shrinking pretty quickly. Sorry you seem to be stuck in one of the last to see the upgrades...


It's not your fault, but I appreciate the sentiment. Again, you say they are upgrading around State Highway 7(441). Will that effect all the people that have the old Boynton System? Or will it be again another updated system that doesn't include my area?
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said by kfsutops See Profile:
Good question Mac. You tell me where my other 10 channels are. You have come up with a different channel lineup for Boynton now.
After searching through about a dozen different channel line-ups for that part of Florida, I finally found 1 with a 52 channel line up. I never realized just how fragmented that part of the Florida region was... ouch. But your right, every other system surrounding yours has more channels.
said by kfsutops See Profile:
The basic system in BOYNTON is extremely old and you know it, Adelphia knows it, and everyone in boynton knows it.
Which is why Adelphia has been in the process of upgrading the entire region around State Highway 7 since they aquired those systems. Of course the bankruptcy delayed things but the area that isn't fully upgraded is shrinking pretty quickly. Sorry you seem to be stuck in one of the last to see the upgrades...
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said by SOLdesign See Profile:
I live in Cali and my system HAS NOT BEEN UPGRADED.
Correction: Not FINISHED upgrading. Its currently a work in progress for that area.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6741905 Sat, 03 May 2003 13:32:03 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6741833 JacksGhost : Boynton beach feeds off cnr1.atlsfl . Your waiting on return feeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6741833 Sat, 03 May 2003 13:19:12 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6741567 kfsutops :
said by JacksGhost See Profile:
"CNR1.atlsfa, CNR1.miamfl and CNR1.orlnfl.. 3 new server farms to replace 2 older ones from cnr.dad and cnr.pbc ( dade and pbc ). Along with those DHCP servers comes the DNS, TOD and other relevent boxes.



And of course nothing mentioned about Boynton Beach.
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said by MacLeech See Profile:
Why is the non-upgraded area of Boyton Beach listed as having 62 channels not including the digital channels that are also available? With Digital it seems that another 30 channels, without counting the inDemand and music only channels, are available.i



Good question Mac. You tell me where my other 10 channels are. You have come up with a different channel lineup for Boynton now.

Look Mac, we can debate Powerlink all day and you probably would kill me at it. But when it comes to cable, you can't argue. The cable stinks. There ARE only 52 basic channels in my area while other AREAS are getting way more than that. The basic system in BOYNTON is extremely old and you know it, Adelphia knows it, and everyone in boynton knows it.
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said by JacksGhost See Profile:
Adelphia just spent a TON of money on California. They are in the process of updating networks that don't really 'need' it to operate to satisfy these people while other areas starved or starve to even stay in operation!



I live in Cali and my system HAS NOT BEEN UPGRADED. we are still non-docsis and slugging by. I should not have to pay more for crappy service. So at least in my Los Angeles neighborhood, I think a roll-back is completely justified.
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"Light travels faster than sound; This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear what they have to say." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736927 Fri, 02 May 2003 21:03:00 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736775 Hickerx2 : The thing that seems quite onerous, is that most of the corporate and environmental "extremists" seem to come from CA.

CA is a state that saw huge benefits from the tech explosion in the 90's. Now that all of that is history and the "refugees" are coming out of the woodwork protesting everything.

New York is a prime example of what tax-and-spend liberalism will result in. It all looks great for a few years until it comes time to pay for it. Just in case you didn't know, NY falls last in about every imaginable "ranking" there is, and places first in every "high cost of living" survey.

As Cpr2k said, most "back-seat" business owners will never have a clue how bad the wrong governmental policies can hurt a business. I just love morons like the Kennedys telling me that I should be paying my waitresses $10/hr.

Just ask NYS how well the tax-and-spend system of govt works. Like all things in life, certain things aren't pretty, but trying to tax and regulate the "ugly" aspects of life away, simply isn't feasible.

This awesome concept of "regulation" by democrats is quite evident by my most recent natural gas bill. I now owe the gas co. $2000 FOR MY HOUSE! That's how well regulation works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736775 Fri, 02 May 2003 20:45:37 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736593 Hickerx2 :
said by cpr2k See Profile:
A government cannot, I repeat cannot, tax and regulate it's way to prosperity.


Yep, just ask the NYS govt how it worked out for them. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736593 Fri, 02 May 2003 20:20:41 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736370 cpr2k : "This Kodak moment brought to you by the corporate cheerleaders of America, fighting for the poor and defenseless corporations of America for over 100 years. Some of our famous clients include Exxon, American Airlines and of course, who could forget Enron. Are you tired of paying those taxes? Want to stick it to the little guy with your money problems? Do you feel you should be able to do whatever you want with nobody butting in to protect the consumer and citizens of your nation? Well if so, call us at 1-800-POLLUTE, yes that's 1-800-POLLUTE."

Once again you show how little you know and understand about economics. Perhaps if you had a real job or better still tried to run one and employ people you'd have a better idea. Let me give you a simple example. If California charges more to run a business than say Nevada or Arizona, many business will move to those states, taking the jobs they provide with them. And it's not just about businesses. If people have to pay higher personal state taxes and fees than other states; if people have a higher cost of living for things like housing and food, they will move to where they can have a higher quality of life. California has decided, among other things that illegal aliens are entitled to free health care and other social benefits. There is even a plan to offer driver's licenses to those here illegally. Also, our governor has decided to balance the budget in this state by firing teachers and increasing class size but wants to spend $220M on new housing for death row inmates. It just makes no sense. Though perhaps if we keep cutting back on education, we'll need more jail cells..

"Want to stick it to the little guy with your money problems?"

What you are missing is that businesses hire and pay "the little guy". If businesses don't succeed, there are no jobs. Your desire to screw businesses actually hurts "the little guy" more. One last example. I don't run a large business. We are six executives running a company with about 100 people. If we decide to leave the state and move the company to Nevada, who do you think gets hurt? The majority of people are employed by small businesses. Everyday people who want to work for themselves and in the process grow and hire others. These small businesses are being hurt every bit as much, if not more, than large businesses. Ask any owner of a store front business.

My suggestion is that you give all this a lot of thought. I offer the old proverb: Beware of what you wish for, you may get it.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736370 Fri, 02 May 2003 19:57:24 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6736106 cpr2k : "How's your bomb shelter?"

What in the world has that comment got to do with anything? A typical useless post. My comment about the people's republic has to do with big government controlling the lives and finances of everyday people and businesses. You need to understand that there are hundreds of businesses, large and small, that are looking at moving out of California. If they go, they will take thousands of good paying jobs with them. A government cannot, I repeat cannot, tax and regulate it's way to prosperity.
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Eliminate those companies and you eliminate the workforce. Your taxes go up and you have less to pay for the next cable rate increase.

Vicious circle, but you need those corporations.

Sincerely,
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OK.. are they or are they not?

CNR1.atlsfa, CNR1.miamfl and CNR1.orlnfl.. 3 new server farms to replace 2 older ones from cnr.dad and cnr.pbc ( dade and pbc ). Along with those DHCP servers comes the DNS, TOD and other relevent boxes.

THOUSANDS of miles of fibre, switches, amps and other physical layer devices.

You do know that analog cable plants loose money. without updating the systems in florida to a 750+Mhz system, they would stand to loose out on a LOT of future revenues.

The infrastructure is/has been in the process of being built.

Sincerely,
Jax]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6733715 Fri, 02 May 2003 15:20:23 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6733713 pianotech : Your livelihood as well as mine depend on a robust economy, LA2. Corporations are needed. Of course, if you choose to gauge corporate America by the actions of a few high-profile cases, that's certainly your right. ;)

Meanwhile, CA is getting ready to borrow a record $11 billion dollars to offset a deficit.

»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar···y2.html

How do you think that will be paid for? Personally I fear big government, not big business.

*edit* added the CA $11 billion story link

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said by kfsutops See Profile:
The people here say they are. But the basic cable here still has the same crappy ass 52 channels that you could get 15 years ago, while other areas can get 99 channels. No channel additions, no more digital channels added, no nothing but a nice increase. For what?
Why is the non-upgraded area of Boyton Beach listed as having 62 channels not including the digital channels that are also available? With Digital it seems that another 30 channels, without counting the inDemand and music only channels, are available.

Seems some upgrades have been done because I certainlly don't think the digital channel line-up was available 15 years ago, nor was the 1-way cable modem service.

And thats only for some parts of Boynton Beach, other parts apparently have been upgraded to an 80 analog channel system plus about double the number of digital channels, premium channels, inDemand channels, and audio channels of the non-upgraded area. Then don't forget the 2-way cable modem service.
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How's your bomb shelter?
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[text was edited by author 2003-05-02 14:57:44]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6733518 Fri, 02 May 2003 14:57:16 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6733196 kfsutops :
said by cpr2k See Profile:
I will never understand why people just don't get the fact that it costs money to provide a service. Typical politicians. They raise our taxes and fees because "things cost more than they used to" and "they have to invest in infrastructure" but pound on businesses as if they don't have the same issues.


Is this why Adelphia raised prices? To update their infrastructure. Come on! They raised prices to aid in their effort to recover from bankruptcy and pay the fat cats and move them to Colorado.

In Palm Beach County we went through a local rate increase and a couple months later got a notice of another increase. Are they upgrading "their infrastructure"? The people here say they are. But the basic cable here still has the same crappy ass 52 channels that you could get 15 years ago, while other areas can get 99 channels. No channel additions, no more digital channels added, no
nothing but a nice increase. For what?

I for one have copied this report and will be forwarding it to our local government in Boynton Beach. Maybe they can do something about it here too. Probably not, but I am not one to just sit here and bitch about the crappy product Adelphia provides in Palm Beach County. I let my local officials know my opinions.

I for one think it is great the California is doing this. Make Adelphia produce results for price increases.
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said by JacksGhost See Profile:
I have no idea what the rates in Cali were like last year or the year before...
Highest rate increase listed by Adelphia: $2.02

This is for basic cable rates, which by law is the only set of rates the franchising authority (The City of Los Angeles in this case)has any say or control over.

See this link for rate info:
»www.lacity.org/ita/Cable_Rate_In···ice.pdf

Also for reference, here is a FCC document on cable rate regulation and a LA City Document on rate regulation:
»www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/pubrole.html
»www.lacity.org/ita/RateSheet_1.pdf

Here is the LA City link for city cable TV info:
»www.lacity.org/ita/itacr1.htm

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Whats wierd.. I think Cali should learn from the 'Cuomo' mistakes of New York.

Consumer protection is needed to certain extents, but when it starts costing those same consumers their jobs as businesses look for a less' hostile ' market to work in.

The 'Cuomo Effect' stirred a lot of businesses up in the area. When Nafta went into effect, they ALL decided not to stick around. The industrial centers that USED to be in Western N.Y. are all but gone. The few remaining have stripped operations down to the bare minimums needed to get by.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6731336 Fri, 02 May 2003 10:36:34 EDT Re: Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6731107 cpr2k : I will never understand why people just don't get the fact that it costs money to provide a service. Typical politicians. They raise our taxes and fees because "things cost more than they used to" and "they have to invest in infrastructure" but pound on businesses as if they don't have the same issues. If LA thinks they can get better service for less, they should find it and go for it. The way things are going, there's going to be a mass migration of businesses out of California and the whole place can be left to the illegal immigrants. Maybe the recall attempt for Gov. Dufus will get legs and we can get leadership that has a clue. Alas, I think there's little hope for us here in "The people's republic of California". *Sigh*
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"Light travels faster than sound; This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear what they have to say." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6731107 Fri, 02 May 2003 10:08:25 EDT Justification? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6730920 JacksGhost : I have no idea what the rates in Cali were like last year or the year before...

Adelphia just spent a TON of money on California. They are in the process of updating networks that don't really 'need' it to operate to satisfy these people while other areas starved or starve to even stay in operation!

I propose a swap. Lets take the old Newcastle system.. How about Ashburn or Murfeesboro of the past... send THAT to Cali! :) See what the Mayor thinks about THAT! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6730920 Fri, 02 May 2003 09:41:48 EDT