 HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | One-man vendetta... 2farfromCO is on a one-man vendetta to get the telcos to deploy COs or RTs on every street corner, ain't he ?? And yes, he's been doing it for 2+ years !! The username he has today is the same he had then too !! 
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jmr50
join:2000-05-14
New York, NY | Hey, why not? Why _doesn't_ the US have telecommunications that are world class? |
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DonLibesPremium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19 | reply to Hall
said by Hall:
2farfromCO is on a one-man vendetta to get the telcos to deploy COs or RTs on every street corner, ain't he ?? And yes, he's been doing it for 2+ years !! The username he has today is the same he had then too !!
Given that none of the underlying issues have changed in those 2+ years, consistency in his opinion is laudable. Too many other people here voice feeble opinions that aren't consistent, show no understanding of the issues, or exaggerate claims and make ad hominem attacks (like you just did). |
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 ameniteThe Soylent - It's PeoplePremium
join:2002-11-21
Ridgewood, NJ
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said by jmr50:
Hey, why not? Why _doesn't_ the US have telecommunications that are world class?
I reject the implication that we don't. I can take my cell phone from the middle of Times Square to the middle of a potato field in Idaho, and it works great. I think that's a pretty impressive system. So many of these locales that are supposedly beating us on high speed info services are smaller than many of our individual states. Unfair comparisons abound. Besides, these products are nowhere near mature yet.
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by amenite:
I reject the implication that we don't. I can take my cell phone from the middle of Times Square to the middle of a potato field in Idaho, and it works great. I think that's a pretty impressive system.
I say to all these people who think that country XXX has a better system than us... if your entire life revolves around the Internet so much, go move there and quit whining.
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HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:1 | reply to DonLibes
said by DonLibes:
Given that none of the underlying issues have changed in those 2+ years, consistency in his opinion is laudable. Too many other people here voice feeble opinions that aren't consistent, show no understanding of the issues, or exaggerate claims and make ad hominem attacks (like you just did).
Underlying issues ?? Do you have market data from Ameritech or something that they're ignoring. Who's to say that in his "neighborhood" he's the only one who's shown any interest in "broadband" ?? If Ameritech feels there's demand for their DSL service, they'll bring it customers. Otherwise, why should they invest possibly millions of dollars when their return will ~$40/month, from one customer ??
Also, is your comment about voicing "feeble opinions" directed at me ?? If so, please show me examples of where I've done this or where I'm not consistent.
Finally, for the clueless, the smiley I added at the end, you know, this thing , that's meant to convey "humor". Some people just don't get it though...
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Some ppl just don't like whining...
Who cares? Let 2far whine and rant if he wants.
What kind of advice is "move to another country if you think it's better"? It basically means: if you don't like what we do here, move away. Isn't it slightly unAmerican? Aren't the US all about letting ppl complain about what's wrong (or perceived as wrong) with our country so that we can improve?
Maybe I'm mistaken, but that sounds like a slightly intolerant comment. Then again, I could be wrong! |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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It basically means: if you don't like what we do here, move away. Isn't it slightly unAmerican?
It isn't unAmerican. Its all about freedom of choice, which is our (insert deity of your choice here)-given right. No one forces anyone to stay in this country, and people are perfectly within their rights to complain. My point is that if they think some other country does something better, and if that something is that important to them, and if the complainer isn't willing to improve the situation themselves, then quit whining and move to that country and be done with it.
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DonLibesPremium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19 | reply to Hall
said by Hall:
Also, is your comment about voicing "feeble opinions" directed at me ?? If so, please show me examples of where I've done this or where I'm not consistent.
As an example, complaining that someone has kept their same username for 2+ users is a feeble criticism. And using exaggerations such as "1-man vendetta" and "COs or RTs on every street corner" appears like you're trying to sabotage his argument by false or ad hominem arguments. |
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First of all I can guarantee that they know there is demand as I have litterly written in EVERY SINGLE APARTMENT UNIT as wanting DSL. Second, they have deployed RTs withing 1/4 mile of our complex, but not for our complex. That's incredibly stupid when you consider that the other complex can get cable modems and ours can't. IF THEY ARE LUCKY, they might have 50% of the broadband market for that complex. Here they would have 100%. The demand would have to be twice as great in the other complex(our complex is 400 units in about 1/16 sq. mile) in order to equal the demand in ours. So if they did any strategic research at all(NOT A CHANCE), they would deploy an RT here first, not years later. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY DENSE AREA WITH TONS OF TRAFFIC. There is tons of demand and ZERO supply. |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | reply to Hall
said by Hall:
2farfromCO is on a one-man vendetta to get the telcos to deploy COs or RTs on every street corner, ain't he ?? And yes, he's been doing it for 2+ years !! The username he has today is the same he had then too !!
Actually i thought 2farfromCO was on a crusade to get his roadrunner not to charge $85 for cablemodems if you didnt have time warner television service. now that he has gotten that he can move on. the telcos simply arent going to deploy where it isnt profitable(rural areas)
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| If 2farfromCO is actually in Farmington, MI, that is hardly a rural area! Suburban, yes. Rural, no. |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | reply to amenite
If we have world class broadband - why am I paying $49.99 a month for maybe 1.5Mbps broadband when Korea and Japan users are paying $12-$20 for 6Mbps+ broadband?
I believe it cost the same for a McDonald burger + fries here as in Japan or Korea |
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 Juke BoxHis Word Never FailsPremium
join:2001-01-29
Proverbs 3
 ·Knology
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
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said by pnh102:
said by Zorglub:
It basically means: if you don't like what we do here, move away. Isn't it slightly unAmerican?
It isn't unAmerican. Its all about freedom of choice, which is our (insert deity of your choice here)-given right. No one forces anyone to stay in this country, and people are perfectly within their rights to complain. My point is that if they think some other country does something better, and if that something is that important to them, and if the complainer isn't willing to improve the situation themselves, then quit whining and move to that country and be done with it.
Actually the statement "if you don't like what we do here, blah blah blah". Is a childish statement and doesn't solve squat.
Now in light of what could be perceived as a country doing better for their citizens than the USA. It could be the case of population vs land mass vs money invested in infra-structure. Who knows?
But "quit whining", "get over it" etc, never solves anything and certainly doesn't offer answers.
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ameniteThe Soylent - It's PeoplePremium
join:2002-11-21
Ridgewood, NJ Reviews:
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said by jdir:
If we have world class broadband - why am I paying $49.99 a month for maybe 1.5Mbps broadband when Korea and Japan users are paying $12-$20 for 6Mbps+ broadband?
I believe it cost the same for a McDonald burger + fries here as in Japan or Korea
The original comment I was replying to referred to "telecommunications that are world class", not "world class broadband". We could have better penetration with broadband today, but who is to say how and who is going to pay for it? Our system today relies largely on the markets to work it out. It may take a while. How many years did it take to get a majority of color TV sets in this country? We may be at a similar point in broadband here now, who knows? Competition from technology like PLC will speed things up to the degree that they function.
As for the cost, I would say one reason is because you are paying for it up front (including profit for the provider), whereas other models seem to siphon tax and other revenues directly into infrastructure improvements. They may or may not be the most efficient use of the capital. We rely more on markets to decide where capital flows.
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As for the cost, I would say one reason is because you are paying for it up front (including profit for the provider), whereas other models seem to siphon tax and other revenues directly into infrastructure improvements. They may or may not be the most efficient use of the capital. We rely more on markets to decide where capital flows.
IMHO the answer is clear infrastructure should belong to the people. The most efficient way to run manage infrastructure is by the government. The evidence is clear. |
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