 bokambaChengdu RocksPremium
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Falls Church, VA | The Congress is too slow on this Can't Congress see that the $10 billion (at least) that spam costs companies per year is more than whatever money the spammers earn and pay taxes on? This guy seems to think that he there is a constitutional right to run a business unregulated. No! Spam is commercial speech, and is thus subject to regulation. |
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 Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | The problem with legislation is that it's probably only going to affect companies using email advertising in a legitimate manner (ie: asking for permission and honoring requests to be removed). True spammers have already shown their lack of respect for the law and their ability to evade it. So any legislation unless very carefully worded is likely to cost most companies that do business on the internet more money in addition to what they already lose due to spam (which won't stop due to legislation).
What really worries me is that ISP's are getting to the point that they would rather block legitimate internet messages, than let one spam message get thru. At what point does this stop; do we start blocking whole TLD's because we don't want spammers from, say, China to get thru. It's a dangerous road to go down.
Essentially the only solution I see is educating users to not give out addresses (theirs or their friends) to every anonymous website/user that asks for it.
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bokambaChengdu RocksPremium
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Falls Church, VA | said by Combat Chuck:
What really worries me is that ISP's are getting to the point that they would rather block legitimate internet messages, than let one spam message get thru. At what point does this stop; do we start blocking whole TLD's because we don't want spammers from, say, China to get thru. It's a dangerous road to go down.
Essentially the only solution I see is educating users to not give out addresses (theirs or their friends) to every anonymous website/user that asks for it.
Sorry, what are TLDs? something-something-domain, I'm guessing.
I don't think that educating users to not give out addresses will necessarily work. I don't do that, and I still get lots of spam. I've gotten spam that seemed to have used a random email address generator to find me, and of course anyone with an address published on the Web is at high risk. |
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Like .ch, .jp, .uk, .au, .tv, .com, .net, etc... the .something is the TLD.
So the suggestion to block a specific TLD would be to say block all email from .ch (China). Problem is that most spam is sent with "spoofed" (faked) email headers... so the spammers would find a way around the block quickly.
Though, you could block an entire large blocks of IP addresses, such as all the IPs allocated to China. That might really upset people who get legitimate email from China though. And again, the spoofing issue would make it not very effective.
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Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | reply to bokamba
TLD= Top Level Domain
I agree it's not an optimal solution, but there's really not much more you could do without causing more problems than those associated with spam right now.
I in the last two years have received 3 pieces of spam in the last year or so in my main account (interestingly two of those was from a speakeasy.net sales person), and it's probably because I told my friends not to enter my addy into any web forms for any reason (ie: to send flash animations and whatnot).
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bokambaChengdu RocksPremium
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Falls Church, VA | Okay, I see where you're coming from. I haven't been as careful as you have, but you're waaay in the minority. Down with BlueMountain, eh? |
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Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | I suspect that's the realm where a lot of the lists get generated. You can't trust any place that offers to email your friends for you; rather than just giving you a link to copy/paste into your own email client.
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 mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
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North Babylon, NY | reply to DavidD6
said by DavidD6:
.ch (China)
.cn is the Chinese domain, .ch is the Czech domain I believe |
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bokambaChengdu RocksPremium
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Falls Church, VA | No, .ch is Switzerland's domain! "CH" stands for their patron saint or something. I think the Czechs are .cz. |
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said by bokamba:
Can't Congress see that the $10 billion (at least) that spam costs companies per year is more than whatever money the spammers earn and pay taxes on? This guy seems to think that he there is a constitutional right to run a business unregulated. No! Spam is commercial speech, and is thus subject to regulation.
sorry, but speech is speech! no matter how much it is unwanted or ask for |
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 ChinaboundPremium
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Antioch, IL
kudos:4 | reply to Combat Chuck
I have found the best way to avoid spam is to be very selective as to whom receives my email address. I agree with Combat Chuck. |
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bokambaChengdu RocksPremium
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Falls Church, VA | reply to cableblows3
No, commercial speech (advertising) is subject to more restrictions than many other types of speech, such as the press. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to DavidD6
said by DavidD6:
That might really upset people who get legitimate email from China though.
I think he was referring to email that was routed through China, not necessarily having an xxx@xxx.cn email address. You would see this IP address or hostname of the server that the spam was routed through if you look at the email headers.
I personally think this is a very effective solution. Maybe more Chinese ISPs would crack down on this BS if they knew that they were going to be cut off from the rest of the world as a result. It kinda reminds me of the Usenet Death Penalty... the very threat of which was enough to make major ISPs plug spam holes.
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said by cableblows3:
sorry, but speech is speech! no matter how much it is unwanted or ask for
Wrong. Your right to free speech ends at my front door. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by TheWickerMan:
Wrong. Your right to free speech ends at my front door.
People have a right to free speech but people don't have a right that others must listen to that speech.
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IIRC CH stands for "Consortium Helvetica"
Switzerland is a country with many duchys IIRC. |
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said by Chinabound:
I have found the best way to avoid spam is to be very selective as to whom receives my email address. I agree with Combat Chuck.
I couldn't disagree more. Random Email generators will find you no matter what you do.
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Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | reply to pnh102
So at what point do you block .com? You want to put an end to the internet as we know it, start blocking TLD's.
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ChinaboundPremium
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Antioch, IL
kudos:4 | reply to murdok6100
I never receive spam. I suppose a random spam may show up sometime, however, I still feel it is logical to be careful where my email address appears. |
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ChinaboundPremium
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Antioch, IL
kudos:4 | reply to murdok6100
By the way, I notice you keep your email private. May I ask why? |
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