Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! in Comcast HSI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r6975640 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:52:36 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:52:36 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7160497 TrueAudio : Some of us on @home were at 3-5mbps before att came in and capped it at 1.5. I dont feel like im getting special treatment. I had that service like 4 or 5 years ago. When they were saying "Cable Sucks". :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7160497 Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:25:25 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7159466 mig288 : !!!Speed increases!!! i think that this is all a tactic to scare the telco's. If they wanted they could just raise the speeds right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7159466 Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:42:01 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7159374 pi : It would be nice if the speed would be increased soon and if the comcast news server didn't have a download limit :)
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said by J D McDorce See Profile:
While I can't speak for Verizon, I know that my SBC DSL connection uses the sprintlink.net backbone. There may be cases where Comcast leases feeders to the backbones from the RBOCs.

In northern NJ Comcast leases from AT&T, which isn't in competition with Comcast. In S. NJ they use Sprint. Personally, I'm thrilled that they use AT&T where I am. I am on the same backbone as the VPN server at work, so I have like 5 hops from my computer to the VPN server.
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said by Agent 86:

If the "hogs" move to DSL, the DSL provider will be forced to raise their price or (more likely) implement the same sort of caps.

Not necessarily. If the DSL provider also owns the pipe (as telcos are prone to do), then they wouldn't be under as much financial pressue as the cable companies since they have to lease the backbone (sometimes from the same telcos that they're in competition with).
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»www.dlink.com/products/modems/dcm201/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7019416 Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:19:12 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7013972 anon : "I don't think Comcast would do that. If they implemented metered usage, I think people would realize what a cheaper alternative DSL is at that point (if it remains unmetered)."

If the "hogs" move to DSL, the DSL provider will be forced to raise their price or (more likely) implement the same sort of caps.

On the other hand, it's also possible that profitable light users would switch to DSL too, if they have a strong preference for flat rate pricing.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7013972 Mon, 02 Jun 2003 22:21:01 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7011604 imrf : it has nothing to do with history.upstream is a precious commodity in a cable plant,*IF* they add more to it they will start monitoring it even more than they do now.which ,whether you believe it or not, they pay very close attention to.just because you havent received a notice from them does not mean they dont monitor,i know for a fact they do and have sent out a lot of letters and shut down quit a few people who monopolize the upstream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7011604 Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:20:30 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7011562 oliphant5 :
said by imrf See Profile:

and you dont think that if Comcast raised their upstream that they wont monitor the bandwidth more think again.they will be capping people just as fast.


And what history is this based on?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7011562 Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:16:28 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7011081 mbernste :
said by crowdx See Profile:
My big worry would be upping the speed BUT creating a monthly download cap. That would totally suck. In fact that would drive me to SBC dsl again, currently they are doing a 1 year special of $99 for 6mbits by 384, Comcast match that..
Patrick

I don't think Comcast would do that. If they implemented metered usage, I think people would realize what a cheaper alternative DSL is at that point (if it remains unmetered). It is also contrary to all of the "gee whiz" stuff that Comcast is going to start touting with broadband in the new portal.
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said by Viper6575 See Profile:
Yeah, I'm a T1 rep. I haven't heard anything about speed changes but they really don't give us any information ahead of what you'll find here on BBR. Since you and I both know the way Comcast is then you should know that 9mbit download would be nice but don't get your hopes up.
Ohh shi*t wait a minute, let me check my script. What I meant to say was.
Comcast appreciates you business and is always looking for new ways to expand our technology and increase the user experience. Once information on our upgrades becomes available then rest assured we will inform you. Thanks again for you business and thanks for calling comcast.

Later -Viper


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Ohh shi*t wait a minute, let me check my script. What I meant to say was.
Comcast appreciates you business and is always looking for new ways to expand our technology and increase the user experience. Once information on our upgrades becomes available then rest assured we will inform you. Thanks again for you business and thanks for calling comcast.

Later -Viper]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6992906 Sat, 31 May 2003 13:15:23 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6990485 crowdx : My big worry would be upping the speed BUT creating a monthly download cap. That would totally suck. In fact that would drive me to SBC dsl again, currently they are doing a 1 year special of $99 for 6mbits by 384, Comcast match that..
Patrick]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6990485 Sat, 31 May 2003 02:16:52 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6990471 mikedz4 : they don't seem too concerned about telling about future plans here. I've had 2 csrs tell me that hdtv will be here in july and video on demand is coming in august. Plus both told me that the lineup is changing in september.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6990471 Sat, 31 May 2003 02:14:39 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6988857 Cassius187 : The tech was in a chat session, and when I told him, he asked for the article. Said that he hadn't heard anything about it. I signed up for Verizon today as well, I gave comcast lots of chances to give me a reason to stay, but they didn't. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6988857 Fri, 30 May 2003 22:19:29 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6988216 imrf :
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said by Cassius187 See Profile:
Well the tech support people havn't heard anything about the speed upgrades. Not that it means anything, but it isn't a good thing still.


Tier 1 reads off a script, so I doubt it.


Actually they dont read off scripts.BUT company policy is to not tell customers what future plans are.Plus they are being monitored on every phone call so they dont slip out information because most of them do need a job to pay bills.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6988216 Fri, 30 May 2003 20:57:52 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6987761 beeman65 :
said by Cassius187 See Profile:
Well the tech support people havn't heard anything about the speed upgrades. Not that it means anything, but it isn't a good thing still.


Tier 1 reads off a script, so I doubt it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6987761 Fri, 30 May 2003 20:00:35 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6987386 items :
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
It'd be nice if that ComcastHSI guy posted in here about whether or not we are actually going to see speed differences in the future.
Well something tells me he knows as much as we know (in fact perhaps less). Roberts's comments may remain "off the cuff" until someone even in the upper levels repeats something even remotely close to what he said. You know how stingy comcast can be with info -- even to their techs. Of course I have no idea how high up Comcast_HSI is, either :-)

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said by Morac See Profile:
Has anyone considered that Comcast will probably raise prices if they bump up the bandwidth?

If Brian Roberts is considering the speed increase in response to Verizon's simultaneous drop in price and increase in speed, I do not think we will see a modification of our current rates. Actually, I think it might even be possible that we might see a price decrease as part of Comcast's competition with Verizon and the other CLECs.
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said by djdanska See Profile:
it is the same for the sb4100?
yes]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6985416 Fri, 30 May 2003 15:31:47 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6985391 djdanska : it is the same for the sb4100?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6985391 Fri, 30 May 2003 15:29:55 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6985212 Cassius187 : Ok thats good. I was in a test area for when ATTBI raised the upload speed to 256, so maybe they'll test the new download speeds here. I'm probably going to switch to verizon anyway, but maybe if Comcast makes me a better offer to stay then I will. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6985212 Fri, 30 May 2003 15:10:14 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6985185 TKJunkMail :
said by Cassius187 See Profile:
I have a SB3100 modem, will that one work with the new DOCSIS1.1.
Yes, they will support docsis 1.1 with a downloadable microcode update.
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said by Dave Burstein:

Comcast's planning is based around many homes having two or three TVs "multiple" and 5 mbps being a likely compromise instead of the 19 mbps of pure HD. Video requires so much bandwidth that rules their network planning, with internet data secondary.


the problem with that is that a 5Mbps stream is not even close to a HD resolution.5Mpbs is standard DVD quality which is a SD.If they are going to push HD they are not going to be able to compress the video signal without people noticing the grainyness.Once the analog system is dropped that will free up a ton of bandwidth for full resolution HD and with the right equipment they can put 2 1080i streams on one 6Mhz channel without any loss.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6983268 Fri, 30 May 2003 10:52:59 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6983230 imrf :
said by dvd536 See Profile:
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
That's a very good point, but if we had the option, how many of us would immediateley dump comcast and jump onboard ool?
I'd be keeping comcast. i dont like the way that ool has handled the whole capping issue and their definition of an 'abuser'. 384 or 512kbps upload with no BS is worth more to me than 1000kbps upload and always wondering "am i going to get capped for this?"


and you dont think that if Comcast raised their upstream that they wont monitor the bandwidth more think again.they will be capping people just as fast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6983230 Fri, 30 May 2003 10:47:57 EDT Re: DSL Prime & Comcast speed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6982861 anon : "Video requires so much bandwidth that rules their network planning, with internet data secondary. There are some very interesting network design issues, but that kind of capacity is far away. However, they are already buying some equipment with extra capacity to make this stuff possible, such as multiple GigE connections to some nodes."

One comment that might make some sense of this: currently Video on Demand is delivered on multiple 6Mhz channels (carrying MPEG-2) that are completely separate and independent of the DOCSIS data pipe. This arrangement has the advantage of being compatible with the installed base of set top boxes. But in the long run, what is desirable is a single unified fat data pipe that carries all interactive traffic: Internet, VOD, Voice, and whatever else comes along. It's the cheapest and most flexible way to do things. (Broadcasting will continue to use the legacy 6Mhz channels, whether analog, SD-digital, or HDTV).

I'm speculating here, but I think this is what Mr. Roberts envisions.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6982861 Fri, 30 May 2003 09:51:33 EDT DSL Prime & Comcast speed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6982552 anon : Folks

I'm the guy who writes DSL Prime and thought to clarify what I wrote. (Yes, of course I read DSL reports. It's great.)

First, the going to 3 mbps is direct from the CEO of Comcast, who didn't put a time frame on it but suggested it would be fairly soon. He's doing that instead of dropping prices to meet Verizon, he told a wall street group.

The reference to "tripling" was not about speed but about the number of cable channels he would dedicate to the service. Currently, modems use a single cable channel and deliver a shared 28-38 mbps to perhaps 500 homes. Individual users have their rate limited to perhaps 2 mbps.

Where speed and price go is very much an issue of future competition, and very hard to predict.

The "multiple 5 mbps" is from an earlier conversation with Comcast, and very much is a long range goal, not something soon. That would presumably include multicasting video (probably HDTV compressed) to meet most of the demand, and a relatively limited number of "unicast" individual video streams. Comcast's planning is based around many homes having two or three TVs "multiple" and 5 mbps being a likely compromise instead of the 19 mbps of pure HD. Video requires so much bandwidth that rules their network planning, with internet data secondary. There are some very interesting network design issues, but that kind of capacity is far away. However, they are already buying some equipment with extra capacity to make this stuff possible, such as multiple GigE connections to some nodes.

Always flattered when Justin picks up my reporting, which I've given him the right to reprint as he chooses. But I'm not a cable expert, just happened to be reporting from an event where Roberts spoke.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6982552 Fri, 30 May 2003 08:46:08 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6982386 jasqid : good point ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6982386 Fri, 30 May 2003 08:08:03 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6982256 dvd536 :
said by jasqid See Profile:
Why make em go that fast if it cant be used.....????
Because other countries that arent as greed oriented can use it to offer better service levels. cablemodems arent only a USA item.
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said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
That's a very good point, but if we had the option, how many of us would immediateley dump comcast and jump onboard ool?
I'd be keeping comcast. i dont like the way that ool has handled the whole capping issue and their definition of an 'abuser'. 384 or 512kbps upload with no BS is worth more to me than 1000kbps upload and always wondering "am i going to get capped for this?"
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said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
If I were to go purchase a 5100, what would I have to do to get them to remove my old one and provision the new one? I thought they didn't like to do that.

Comcast wouldn't have any problem with you getting a new modem. Make sure your new modem is plugged in and has a solid connection. Then call Comcast and give them the MAC of your new modem. They'll (or at least they should) remove the MAC of your old modem and add/provision the new one. Just keep in mind that if you have a router and you cloned the MAC of your old modem, you will have to change those settings. At the very least a release/renew or reboot of your computer (if not going through a router) would be necessary.

In my case, when Comcast mailed me a new modem to replace my CyberSURFR, they forgot to remove the MAC of the old modem. Neither I or they realized that I had 2 modems on the account (only being charged for 1) until I switched to Pro and they had to re-build my account and reprovision my new modem (Terayon TJ 615).

If we ever do get multiple 5mbit connections to our house, it would be kind of cool to get close to maxing out the cable modem, wouldn't it? :)
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said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
If I were to go purchase a 5100, what would I have to do to get them to remove my old one and provision the new one? I thought they didn't like to do that.


You just call them and say I bought a new modem and need it provisioned :)
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They'd probably all be using BPSK (1-bit/symbol) if that were in the spec. They're more interested in stability and ease of operation than in pushing the limits.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6980896 Fri, 30 May 2003 00:20:39 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6980379 Qumahlin : Yes some Comcast nodes are 1.1 CAPABLE, but only the areas with digital phone are using the 1.1 features, and none of the 1.1 modem features are enabled. Hence why we do not push 1.1 firmware to the 1.1 upgradeable modems even though we have it availible.
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said by Nerdtalker See Profile:

Phew, I was already getting my money out and counting pennies to pay for the 5100. :)

Actually, the 5100's are pretty cheap. In Best Buy they're selling them for $50 after rebate. I'm 99.9% positive that they will work on our system since they were mixed on the same shelf as the Comcast self-install kits.
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said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
Does that mean I'll only see speeds like the ones I have if I stay with the 4200 and will only be able to get the higher speeds if I buy a 5100? That really stinks.
Don't worry about that too much. The SB4200 can be upgraded to docsis 1.1 and that will be capable of plenty of extra speed for the next 2 years. Regardless of what you have read earlier in this forum, the upgrade to docsis 2.0 and the higher upload rates is very difficult and time consuming to do. Upgrading the CMTS is the easy part. Changing to higher upload rates will be very difficult. Because of the amount of hardware upgrades to the infrastructure to limit RF noise problems on uploads to get the higher speeds, even when docsis 2.0 is implemented, the very high upload rates that are theoretically possible won't be implemented. You will get your money's worth out of your current modem.


Phew, I was already getting my money out and counting pennies to pay for the 5100. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6977421 Thu, 29 May 2003 18:06:13 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6977338 TKJunkMail :
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
Does that mean I'll only see speeds like the ones I have if I stay with the 4200 and will only be able to get the higher speeds if I buy a 5100? That really stinks.
Don't worry about that too much. The SB4200 can be upgraded to docsis 1.1 and that will be capable of plenty of extra speed for the next 2 years. Regardless of what you have read earlier in this forum, the upgrade to docsis 2.0 and the higher upload rates is very difficult and time consuming to do. Upgrading the CMTS is the easy part. Changing to higher upload rates will be very difficult. Because of the amount of hardware upgrades to the infrastructure to limit RF noise problems on uploads to get the higher speeds, even when docsis 2.0 is implemented, the very high upload rates that are theoretically possible won't be implemented. You will get your money's worth out of your current modem.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile:
BTW, the SB4200 is downloadable microcode upgradeable to docsis 1.1, but not 2.0.

Just one of the nice advantages of having a TJ615. It is 1.1 compliant and flash upgradeable to 2.0 (has all the necessary hardware components). I suspect that was one of the reasons why Comcast decided to go with Terayon when they did their modem upgrade program last August.

On a side note, when Comcast did the modem upgrade, anyone who bought their cable modem, got a new one from Comcast for free. Additionally, the replacement modem (according to the letter) was considered owned my the subscriber. Those who rent, continued to rent.
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»ads.pittsburghlive.com/richads/c···dex.html
"**Speed comparisons are for downloads only and are compared to 56Kmodems and 640K. Upstream 356kbps. Actual speeds may vary. Many factors affect download speed. Ask about speed when you call or visit www.comcast.com Installation fees apply. "
notice the big typon that says "upstream 356kbps."
I wonder how many people actually caught this typo and called comcast on it and would they have a case for a false advertising suit?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6977310 Thu, 29 May 2003 17:54:26 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6977221 Nerdtalker :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile:
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
What are they going to do if I don't get a new one?
Your old modem would continue to work as the newer CMTS would work with all older cable modems, even if they are using docsis 1.0 or 1.1. But if you wanted to take advantage of the new capabilities, you would have to buy a new docsis 2.0 modem. That is part of the tradeoff you must consider when making the rent/buy evaluation on a cable modem. BTW, the SB4200 is downloadable microcode upgradeable to docsis 1.1, but not 2.0.


Does that mean I'll only see speeds like the ones I have if I stay with the 4200 and will only be able to get the higher speeds if I buy a 5100? That really stinks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6977221 Thu, 29 May 2003 17:44:21 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976922 J D McDorce : They use QAM on the download side for internet, also. The question is whether anyone in the US is using QAM on the upload side for internet (versus QPSK).

While I am no expert, I can't see a reason for a QAM return path for HDTV.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976922 Thu, 29 May 2003 17:12:12 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976689 anon : I know for a FACT that comcast and all other Cable Companies use QAM for there HDTV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976689 Thu, 29 May 2003 16:44:56 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976661 Kommie :
said by pcg33k See Profile:
i don't care what it cost $99.99 a month lets


Someone has money to burn I see :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976661 Thu, 29 May 2003 16:41:34 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976607 outtherenost :
quote:
i don't care what it cost $99.99 a month lets do it


Uuuuuuhhhhhhhh...No!!!

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5 meg down 786 up , Please :}]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976591 Thu, 29 May 2003 16:33:22 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976149 TKJunkMail :
said by J D McDorce See Profile:
Could you give a description of what capabilities that a user would see by using a DOCSIS 2.0 modem on a DOCSIS 2.0 system versus using a DOCSIS 1.0 modem on a DOCSIS 2.0 system?


Docsis 1.1 chgs from docsis 1.0
»www.cablemodem.com/faq/#FAQ17
Docsis 2.0 chgs from docsis 1.1
»www.cablemodem.com/faq/#FAQ19

DOCSIS 2.0 is backward compatible with earlier versions of DOCSIS products, fully supporting advanced Internet Protocol (IP)-based cable services. It adds advanced digital modulation capabilities to cable modems and headend equipment enabling cable companies to increase by a factor of three the speed of the return (or upstream) path of their networks as compared to DOCSIS 1.1, or a factor of six as compared to DOCSIS 1.0.

Here ia a great article explaining all the docsis standards, speeds, and implementation challenges:
»www.commsdesign.com/design_corne···116S0006
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DOCSIS 2.0 systems will allow a larger RF channel size (6.4 MHz). This will lead to better statistical multiplexing and optimal use of bandwidth. Ultimately, this translates to a higher symbol rate (up to 5.12 Msymbols/s) and three times the throughput achieved by 1.1 systems (up to 30.56 Mbps). Additionally, the physical layer technology makes the DOCSIS 2.0 system more resilient to noise. In addition to bandwidth, this is a key characteristic for high-quality videoconferencing.

The greater noise resilience of DOCSIS 2.0 systems better ensures reliable service delivery, a major consideration for videoconferencing, telephony and other services being marketed to SOHO and small business users, who demand reliability. The new modulation schemes in DOCSIS 2.0 allow MSOs to compete effectively with alternate service providers. For instance, DOCSIS 2.0 calls for channel equalization, which will protect against channel non-linearities. DOCSIS 2.0 also adds improved forward error correction (FEC) in S-CDMA and A-TDMA, as well as Trellis-Coded Modulation (TCM) in S-CDMA, which provides additional error correction capabilities. Additionally, the spread-spectrum nature of S-CDMA provides enhanced resistance to impulse noise, a common cause of performance degradation.

A little more then we need to know :)
[text was edited by author 2003-05-29 16:00:06]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976029 Thu, 29 May 2003 15:31:38 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6976024 ihaddsl :
said by degauss1 See Profile:
said by TechnoScott See Profile:
...From where I sit the whole issue is a matter of money.... Everyone is too afraid to spend some capital to make money in the long run.


Ain't that the truth. That goes for the telco's too. IF Comcast has the foresight to spend, take the risk and fly with new technology and FINALY provide real broadband data services then they deserve to be the king of the heap. It could be quite a different story if the telco's beat them to the punch and spent some cash on more infrastructure (personally dreaming of fiber to the house) and offered better reach for high-speed connectivity.


*everything* is just a matter of money at the end of the day, just that it isnt' always available to spend where you might like.

Comcasts debt load is somewhere north of 20 billion dollars, until they do something about this they aren't in a position to spend willy nilly to upgrade their plant
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said by TechnoScott See Profile:
...From where I sit the whole issue is a matter of money.... Everyone is too afraid to spend some capital to make money in the long run.


Ain't that the truth. That goes for the telco's too. IF Comcast has the foresight to spend, take the risk and fly with new technology and FINALY provide real broadband data services then they deserve to be the king of the heap. It could be quite a different story if the telco's beat them to the punch and spent some cash on more infrastructure (personally dreaming of fiber to the house) and offered better reach for high-speed connectivity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975795 Thu, 29 May 2003 15:04:26 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975719 TKJunkMail :
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
What are they going to do if I don't get a new one?
Your old modem would continue to work as the newer CMTS would work with all older cable modems, even if they are using docsis 1.0 or 1.1. But if you wanted to take advantage of the new capabilities, you would have to buy a new docsis 2.0 modem. That is part of the tradeoff you must consider when making the rent/buy evaluation on a cable modem. BTW, the SB4200 is downloadable microcode upgradeable to docsis 1.1, but not 2.0.
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from multichannel.com
"In fact Comcast has encountered some "good" surprises, according to Fellows — such as the old Tele-Communications Inc. plant that actually had been rebuilt to 750 Megahertz, but had been mislabeled as less than that.

The typical Comcast plant is rebuilt for 860 MHz with 860-home nodes, he said.

Even a 750-MHz plant can offer 84 analog channels, 216 digital channels and eight channels for HDTV, Fellows said.

Across a 1,000 home neighborhood, that 750-MHz plant could handle VOD for 400 digital subscribers, 400 high-speed-data homes and 300 telephone subscribers, with three 6-MHz slots still left over.

"If we need more capacity, we can split up nodes four ways" and provision the forward and reverse path separately, depending on the capacity required, said Fellows.

Comcast is upgrading all of its DOCSIS 1.0 plant to DOCSIS 1.1 this year, he said. "We have DOCSIS 2.0 in our back pocket, which would give us five times the speed upstream."

Voice-compression advancements are also on tap in the circuit-switch telephony operations Comcast inherited from AT&T. Technology exists to take the voice compression from 64 kilobits to 16 kilobits, allowing Comcast to carry four times as many phone calls on a single line.

Fellows also talked about Comcast's digital transition plans. Comcast could go to 100% digital for its cable network carriage and keep must-carry and retransmission-consent channels in the analog domain, he said.

Such a transition would give Fellows 60 to 80 6 MHz slots to use for other services.
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»www.multichannel.com/index.asp?l···hResults]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975717 Thu, 29 May 2003 14:55:10 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975640 Nerdtalker :
said by ihaddsl See Profile:
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
said by Qumahlin See Profile:
You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.


I have an SB4200 modem, is that going to be replaced by the cable company with a "complimentary" modem or am I going to be forced to purchase another $100 dollar modem so I can continue getting access?


If you own your modem, it would likely be up to you to get a new compliant one if this becomes a requirement. If you lease, comcast will supply you with a new one


What are they going to do if I don't get a new one?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975640 Thu, 29 May 2003 14:46:22 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975522 ihaddsl :
said by Nerdtalker See Profile:
said by Qumahlin See Profile:
You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.


I have an SB4200 modem, is that going to be replaced by the cable company with a "complimentary" modem or am I going to be forced to purchase another $100 dollar modem so I can continue getting access?


If you own your modem, it would likely be up to you to get a new compliant one if this becomes a requirement. If you lease, comcast will supply you with a new one
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said by Qumahlin See Profile:
You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.


I have an SB4200 modem, is that going to be replaced by the cable company with a "complimentary" modem or am I going to be forced to purchase another $100 dollar modem so I can continue getting access?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975506 Thu, 29 May 2003 14:30:24 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975467 TechnoScott : Have you ever stopped to think why NO cable isp currently (except for a small one I know of in brazil who just opened plant and all and only has a cpl hundred customers) uses QAM upstream?

I have thought of this.... the reason is this: Nationwide, maybe 200-300 maintenance people in ALL cable companies actually have the training, skills, and abilities to pull it off. That was the point I was trying to make. The cable providers need more than just training... they need knowledge and innovative techs who can get the job done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975467 Thu, 29 May 2003 14:24:51 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6975223 Thrawn2 : as for people who game using close to the same as P2P. Thats so false. When you game you are usally get less then 2k each way. But when we p2p im getting 200k down and 30k up. So even if i p2p for a short while. IT still over shoots my gaming if i played all week.
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said by TechnoScott See Profile:
Us gaming folks do NOT USE as much bandwidth as you P2P users. I run a 10 person game server. It is not a full server all the time. KaZaa users typically have uploads enabled and supernode on and are sharing something 24/7. I know this because I see it every day on the job. As for the 16 QAM and plant quality issue. They should do it so the flaky maintenance people who don't know crap will either jump in the fire and be heroes or they will crash and burn. Either way, IMO, the cable industry needs to be turned upside down. Give the young guys the chance to run a 16 QAM upstream system instead of letting the old cable farts run around not knowing what the hell is happening in the system. It is pretty sad when an HSI technician has to diagnose a plant problem for a maintenance person just to get things fixed. However, I happen to work in a system where MOST of the maintenance people are very qualified to manage the return path. But, there are too many idiots still in the maintanence departments nationwide that need to either learn their poop or get the hell out. I know of so many smart and talented people that are just waiting to get a chance to maintain plant 10X better than the folks that are doing it now. I have heard the arguement about maintenance people and 16 QAM before and think its bogus. Force it on them and they will either crash and burn or be heroes. How is that any different than any other product roll-out that we do in cable. Fly or die I say and let the technology weed out the idiots. I get riled up because I see ENDLESS potential in cable broadband that is going UNTOUCHED by and large. VOD and HDTV?? Who cares??? Enhance the data services and optimize them and Comcast owns the nation. From where I sit the whole issue is a matter of money.... Everyone is too afraid to spend some capital to make money in the long run.


Comcast already has Docsis 2.0 systems in testing. There is no reason for them to set up ANOTHER test to test 16 QAM upstream. OR are you proposing your willing to piss off alot of customers bu just switching thier area to 16 QAM up and hoping it works. Have you ever stopped to think why NO cable isp currently (except for a small one I know of in brazil who just opened plant and all and only has a cpl hundred customers) uses QAM upstream?
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said by djdanska See Profile:
said by Kommie See Profile:
You gaming folks take just us much bandwidth as we P2P folks do.
Let the flaming begin.
AHAHAHA, no doubt all you email users use just as much bandwidth too!

LOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6973790 Thu, 29 May 2003 10:55:31 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6973517 TechnoScott : Us gaming folks do NOT USE as much bandwidth as you P2P users. I run a 10 person game server. It is not a full server all the time. KaZaa users typically have uploads enabled and supernode on and are sharing something 24/7. I know this because I see it every day on the job. As for the 16 QAM and plant quality issue. They should do it so the flaky maintenance people who don't know crap will either jump in the fire and be heroes or they will crash and burn. Either way, IMO, the cable industry needs to be turned upside down. Give the young guys the chance to run a 16 QAM upstream system instead of letting the old cable farts run around not knowing what the hell is happening in the system. It is pretty sad when an HSI technician has to diagnose a plant problem for a maintenance person just to get things fixed. However, I happen to work in a system where MOST of the maintenance people are very qualified to manage the return path. But, there are too many idiots still in the maintanence departments nationwide that need to either learn their poop or get the hell out. I know of so many smart and talented people that are just waiting to get a chance to maintain plant 10X better than the folks that are doing it now. I have heard the arguement about maintenance people and 16 QAM before and think its bogus. Force it on them and they will either crash and burn or be heroes. How is that any different than any other product roll-out that we do in cable. Fly or die I say and let the technology weed out the idiots. I get riled up because I see ENDLESS potential in cable broadband that is going UNTOUCHED by and large. VOD and HDTV?? Who cares??? Enhance the data services and optimize them and Comcast owns the nation. From where I sit the whole issue is a matter of money.... Everyone is too afraid to spend some capital to make money in the long run.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6973517 Thu, 29 May 2003 10:16:03 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6973393 draven :
said by Kommie See Profile:
P2P should not be banned. You gaming folks take just us much bandwidth as we P2P folks do.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZT! I'm neither a P2P guy or a hardcore gamer, but where did you come up with the reasoning behind that statement? Most games require a variable 5-10KB max upstream, whereas P2P will theoretically consume the most upstream it can unless you throttle it.

However, that being said, I still feel allotted bandwidth is just that and you should be allowed to do with it as you please. My 256k upstream is the same as yours!
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said by mikedz4 See Profile:
from what i heard comcast wants to upgrade to docsis 1.1 by the end of the year,hopefully by the end of the summer. That means faster download speeds.
While the evolution of DOCSIS increases the bandwidth capacity between the CMTS and the customers, the limiting factor for most users is the cap assigned to the cable modem. An update to DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0 will not automatically result in higher user speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6973278 Thu, 29 May 2003 09:33:15 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6973159 mbernste : Well, by now all non-AT&T areas have been converted to DOCSIS cable modems. If you have the TJ615 or 715 then the cable modem is capable of supporting DOCSIS 2.0. Considering that 2.0 is downward compatible with 1.1, anyone with a DOCSIS modem should be able to take advantage of any DOCSIS changes (at least in the 1.1 spec) that Comcast implements.
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said by TechnoScott See Profile:
WOW!! Nice to see they are thinking about giving us the speeds I USED TO GET ON THE @HOME NETWORK. Wow, what an innovation. I could care less about 3 mbit downstream. GIMME THE DA#N UPLOAD!! All I want to do is host a 20 person game server. Is that so much to ask???


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said by Qumahlin See Profile:

QAM upstream is not used because there are far too many problems with maintaining the quality of the signal needed for it to work efficiently. It's just like saying all providers should switch to GI's 256 QAM system just because the benefits are attractive

Actually, from what I understand Comcast is using Motorola's 256 QAM system on the TV side. Used for VOD and HD. Considering how many people have upstream issues (myself included), I don't think 256 QAM is feasible for such "fragile" data streams such as computer data unless Comcast is willing to spend a heap of money fixing and upgrading their classic systems. Right now Comcast has its hands full getting their AT&T areas up to the same infrastructure as Comcast "classic."

Why do all of my posts that involve ATTBI sound like ads for Coca-Cola?
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What's needed, IMHO, is a much more advanced cable modem standard. DOCSIS 2.0 does not approach the theoretical limit of an upstream channel. And the downstream channel could be made *really* wide - even 1000mb/s is not unthinkable.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6972335 Thu, 29 May 2003 05:15:40 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6972258 Qumahlin :
said by TechnoScott See Profile:
I am fully aware of the current limitations of the CISCO CMTS and the QPSK encoding method in use. I am wondering why engineers refuse to implement 16 QAM when the throughput look so attractive in the upstream. I am fully aware of the amount of bandwidth available in the upstream when using QPSK with 3.2 MHz channel width and, its NOT MUCH to write home to mom about. I wonder if it is coincidental that for every downstream spigot on a blade, there are 6 upstream spigots. That seems the be the ratio from downstream to upstream bandwidth on a card. 1 64 QAM downstream is about equal to 6 QPSK upstreams. The only way my dream will come true is if we get MASSIVE network segmentation. If we did that, the FCC would rule us a monopoly since the service would stomp everyone elses service and then I'd be out of a job. :D


QAM upstream is not used because there are far too many problems with maintaining the quality of the signal needed for it to work efficiently. It's just like saying all providers should switch to GI's 256 QAM system just because the benefits are attractive
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said by TechnoScott See Profile:
All I want to do is host a 20 person game server. Is that so much to ask???


Yes that is asking a lot because that requires upstream which the CMTS usually doesn't have. Read my post above for further explanation.
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said by imrf See Profile:
said by Kommie See Profile:

OOL Speeds(Uncapped): $95


Technically OOL is capped, it is 10Mbps/1Mbps.Cable modems are capable of way more than that when "uncapped".


Yeah... and my car is capable of 240MPH but it only goes 70-75 on the "free"way. :D

Sorry I had to jab that in there. Why make em go that fast if it cant be used.....???? (Kinda Rhetorical...)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6970497 Wed, 28 May 2003 23:18:14 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6969075 imrf :
said by Kommie See Profile:

OOL Speeds(Uncapped): $95


Technically OOL is capped, it is 10Mbps/1Mbps.Cable modems are capable of way more than that when "uncapped".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6969075 Wed, 28 May 2003 21:14:03 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968989 djdanska :
said by Kommie See Profile:
You gaming folks take just us much bandwidth as we P2P folks do.


Let the flaming begin.
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Pro: 3.5/384 $57-45(Current basic price)

OOL Speeds(Uncapped): $95

P2P should not be banned. You gaming folks take just us much bandwidth as we P2P folks do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968979 Wed, 28 May 2003 21:06:33 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968576 J D McDorce : Considering other quotes lately, I would recommend a grain of salt on the side ;-)
said by »biz.yahoo.com/djus/030507/1137001146_1.html:

"We're not too sure what it means at this point," Roberts said of reports that Verizon is lowering prices on its digital subscriber line service. "We don't think that cable modems and DSL are necessarily comparable."

Roberts said it is unclear exactly what steps Verizon will take in its various markets.

"For $42.95 we've sold a tremendous millions" of high-speed cable modems, Roberts said. He said many people think cable modems are superior to DSL, and suggested that Verizon may be discounting "a less robust product."
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968576 Wed, 28 May 2003 20:31:15 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968510 mig288 : take the upstream level higher also ! And impose those same caps on users like OOL does! That way P2P does't win the upgrading issues]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968510 Wed, 28 May 2003 20:23:51 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968351 Nerdtalker : That's a very good point, but if we had the option, how many of us would immediateley dump comcast and jump onboard ool?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968351 Wed, 28 May 2003 20:10:34 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968331 imrf : why would he compete against someone who is not a competitor.if you have Comcast there usually is a godd chance you can call and cancel and get DSL.you cant call and drop Comcast and get OOL.thats why he is going to compete with DSL and all the overbuilding cable companies like RCN and WOW.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968331 Wed, 28 May 2003 20:09:02 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968260 Nerdtalker : I think the max with the 5100 is 30mbits down, 10up. It'd be great if we could see 3 megabits down! Perhaps he will double it to 6 if we complain more! The thing is, I rarely see 1.5 as it is because many of these servers don't seem to be able to send the file fast enough. I think the increase could only be seen in multiple downloads and such. Brian Roberts should compete against Optimum Online instead of the DSL companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968260 Wed, 28 May 2003 20:01:55 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6968073 Konceptz : hopefully

Silver:3500/384
Pro:5400/512

For those speeds i would have to highly consider the 95 a month.
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I have to say, the things that Brian Roberts has been saying as of late are music to our ears, but you have to wonder if he's being realistic....

.... or if he's bluffing in an attempt to cause competitors to self-destruct trying to rush unprepared services to the table in an effort to undercut Comcast.

We have to remember, Comcast is the leader and all others are currently the underdog. Roberts can afford to talk smack.

That being said, I fully believe Comcast is poising themselves to revolutionize broadband as we know it, whether it be soon, as Roberts seems to imply, or years down the road.
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Well, one can dream, can't they?!
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Watch Comcast execs get grilled »mywebpages.comcast.net/mbernste/···ng.html ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6967314 Wed, 28 May 2003 18:25:55 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6967051 mbernste :
said by gr33dy See Profile:
Geez, 3Mbps would be great...

I have to admit. I do like my 3.5 mbit speed much better than when I had my 1.3 mbit speed. $95/month is expensive as heck, but for me its worth it. Depending on what the new "Pro" speeds are, I'd probably drop back to Silver if the new speed is 3.5/384.
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Watch Comcast execs get grilled »mywebpages.comcast.net/mbernste/···ng.html ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6967051 Wed, 28 May 2003 17:55:18 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6967032 gr33dy : Geez, 3Mbps would be great... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6967032 Wed, 28 May 2003 17:52:55 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6966982 mbernste :
said by djdanska See Profile:
" ready to raise speeds on cable modems, initially to 3 Mbps"

Exactly. Initially to 3 Mbps. I wonder if Brian has been sneaking about on this forum? :)

To be honest, I'm tired of the folks in the town next door talking about their OOL connection. Heck, I'm tired of visiting my aunt and seeing that she gets so much faster speeds than I do!
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Watch Comcast execs get grilled »mywebpages.comcast.net/mbernste/···ng.html ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6966982 Wed, 28 May 2003 17:48:52 EDT Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6966931 djdanska : " Responding to Verizon and SBC, he's ready to raise speeds on cable modems, initially to 3 Mbps"
Whoo hoo! (I would like to see it first. but can wish!!)
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»isp-planet.com/cplanet/tech/2003···528.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6966676 Wed, 28 May 2003 17:15:07 EDT 9 mbit might be in out future?! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6966555 mbernste : Hopefully the article will be posted soon at the top of this forum (I just submitted it), according to an article at DSL Prime news Brian Roberts has been mulling raising speeds. First to 3 mbit, and if necessary TRIPLE it!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,6966555 Wed, 28 May 2003 17:02:12 EDT