Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 in VOIP Tech Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r7295706 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:27:24 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:27:24 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8393584 ryuku : ah. it was in c. my offer no longer exists tho. i deleted it when i removed Cygwin. it merely changed and/or added the User-Agent component so far. it should read 'User Agent: DTA SIP/0.11.11 NNOS/VR30'. it was only like 80 lines of code... sorry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8393584 Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:01:45 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8392701 Automate :
said by ryuku See Profile:
if anyone wants the source to take over, it's really not much but you can have it. email me. ryuku32 at yahoo.
What programming language is it written in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8392701 Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:57:14 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8390359 ryuku : i think i quit. i haven't coded in years and the code is slop. i might fool with it for another couple days but i am getting rid of packet8 in favor of a $50/m unlimited local/ld on the PTSN. i'll get their dsl bundled with it for $25/m which is better than cable's $40/m, so it's kinda a deal... if anyone wants the source to take over, it's really not much but you can have it. email me. ryuku32 at yahoo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8390359 Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:55:05 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8389597 jniamehr :
said by ryuku See Profile:
I already have something almost complete which will emulate the DTA-310. Am I going to give it to someone else? Probably not. I am not sure why I made it yet... I don't even own a microphone. It is simply a proxy which I run on the same machine as the Soft phone and modifies the SIP messages a bit so Packet8 will accept them. The actual calls don't get routed through it, so it won't be hard to finish. So far I got past the initial REGISTER without getting a Forbidden or No Response. I get the 200 OK. :) I'd like to allow others to use it, but how to make sure there is no account sharing..? shrug.


I wouldn't want people sharing the lines either, but heres an idea... you have people download the software from a site (hell Ill even host it!) and have them register with there p8 number, and have the # create a serial #, then have people download the software, and enter the serial # which only allows people to use the software with the number the serial number represents, and have the software activate the serial # on the server so it cant be used again for 6 months, i know it sounds complicated, and is complicated, but it would be a service to all of us... or another way would be in order to use the software they would need to login to the software (which is connected to the server) and the server holds the phone number not the software, and only one person at a time can use it.... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8389597 Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:00:29 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8373730 joako : There is no way to prevent them. I am sure they are aware that it is possible to use non DTA devices. Dont spoil it for everyone, keep it to yourself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8373730 Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:37:11 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8372731 ryuku : I already have something almost complete which will emulate the DTA-310. Am I going to give it to someone else? Probably not. I am not sure why I made it yet... I don't even own a microphone. It is simply a proxy which I run on the same machine as the Soft phone and modifies the SIP messages a bit so Packet8 will accept them. The actual calls don't get routed through it, so it won't be hard to finish. So far I got past the initial REGISTER without getting a Forbidden or No Response. I get the 200 OK. :) I'd like to allow others to use it, but how to make sure there is no account sharing..? shrug.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8372731 Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:50:14 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7975643 joako : Packet8 is using the G723 code for incoming calls, you can force G711 (Alaw or Ulaw) for outgoing calls. The license fees for G723 start at around $30,000. Estara has the licensing under control, but AFAIK there is no open source software that will support it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7975643 Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:23:07 EDT DTA Emulation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7969583 Test99 :
said by joako See Profile:
In that case they would think its a DTA310. The DTA seems to be using XML as well as standard SIP, so I dont know what that would imply in terms of emulating it. With regards to hacking another device, Cisco ATA is not going to happen, and i doubt estara softphone or Grandstream prodcuts. It would have to be open source.


Either use an open source softphone or write your own. A tempting thought. XML isn't hard to deal with. Encryption could be a problem. But so far as I know, nothing is encrypted. Licensing patented codecs might be an issue. Design and coding time for a new implementation would be the main issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7969583 Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:13:25 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7969006 joako : In that case they would think its a DTA310. The DTA seems to be using XML as well as standard SIP, so I dont know what that would imply in terms of emulating it. With regards to hacking another device, Cisco ATA is not going to happen, and i doubt estara softphone or Grandstream prodcuts. It would have to be open source.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7969006 Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:40:30 EDT Packet8 and eStara http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7967149 Test99 : There was a time when the US PSTN wouldn't allow people to attach anything other than phone-company-supplied equipment to the network. Then, in the Carterfone decision, a court ordered them to accept third-party devices. Now, phone companies don't even know what is attached to their network.

Packet8 hasn't had its "Carterfone decision" yet. But it probably won't be too long before someone figures out just what the Packet8 servers are expecting to receive and modifies the code of a softphone to give them exactly that. Packet sniffers, anyone? At that point, Packet8 will no longer know what kind of a device they are talking to. And why should they care? So long as they protect themselves from abuse, it shouldn't matter to them what phones their customers use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7967149 Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:22:17 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7964472 joako : With the recent upgrades to the packet8 network they are now blocking devices other than the DTA310 from accessing the service. I have tried, but there is nothing you can do to get around this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7964472 Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:30:50 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7961764 anon : hi dreamword
i try eStara softphone 3.0.017 i did exactly what u told me to do but how come it said " server could not be reached.........

thx]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7961764 Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:08:44 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7961745 anon : i try softphone i did exactly what u told me to do but how come it said " server could not be reached.........

thx]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7961745 Sun, 14 Sep 2003 05:00:01 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7954434 jarruda :
said by Test99 See Profile:
(And yes, somebody finally publicly mentioned the thing I wasn't going to talk about -- if they allowed this, you could just pass out your login info to your friends and they could make unlimited free calls.)

There are other ways of preventing abuse. If Packet8 restricted usage on an account to just one or two phones (possibly to the phone that registered most recently) customers would have a strong incentive to not give out their account information. An analogy: a GSM cellular phone contains a SIM card that is tied to the customer's account. Why would a customer give away his SIM card? If he did, he wouldn't be able to make calls and he would still have to pay the monthly bill.

This seems like a customer-friendly way of preventing abuse.


If they did that (that should not be that hard), they could leverage the others SIP devices with their own PSTN connectivity. And also do the opposite sell their own 8x8 device (at no discounted rate) to users of others SIP services.
It seems like others (Dlink included) are starting to launch low cost SIP devices.
I can see one problem, is the support cost, but they could use a simple approach, if calling support with a "accepted" SIP device, they could ask the user to test the same with a DTA-310, the one they bought when they started the service.
It of course would not allow anyone to 'bring their own and not buy a DTA-310' for each account. I could live with that, not sure how others 'non-DTA' potential users would see this option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7954434 Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:15:54 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7949914 Test99 : (And yes, somebody finally publicly mentioned the thing I wasn't going to talk about -- if they allowed this, you could just pass out your login info to your friends and they could make unlimited free calls.)

There are other ways of preventing abuse. If Packet8 restricted usage on an account to just one or two phones (possibly to the phone that registered most recently) customers would have a strong incentive to not give out their account information. An analogy: a GSM cellular phone contains a SIM card that is tied to the customer's account. Why would a customer give away his SIM card? If he did, he wouldn't be able to make calls and he would still have to pay the monthly bill.

This seems like a customer-friendly way of preventing abuse.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7949914 Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:14:52 EDT Packet8 Cellular? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7949740 Test99 : Put these items together:

- A PDA or laptop that can run a softphone,
- A softphone that works with Packet8,
- Packet8 unlimited service for $20 per month,
- T-Mobile's always-on 56kbps GPRS Internet-only service
for $30 per month (announced in a recent billing insert),
- A PCMCIA GPRS card (Sierra Wireless or similar) for the PDA or laptop,

and what have you got? Answer: a cellular phone with unlimited local and long distance calling and nationwide roaming for a flat fee of $50 per month!

I haven't tried to put this together, but the idea sure is appealing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7949740 Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:53:36 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7949035 anon : It's so strange that you bumped this old thread up (well, I guess it was to make your sales pitch). Except now there's no reason to hack together a connection to P8 because of what I just posted 30 seconds ago -- VoicePulse Wholesale works as a Bring-Your-Own-ATA program now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7949035 Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:31:57 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7948990 Sipsam : I saw on www.msgplus.net today that there is a company that offers a softphone based service called www.buddy-line.com. Apparently their service is a plug-in to MSN Messenger. Looks very cool, you can see presence on your buddy list and pick up the phone to talk to you buddies. Also comes with a regular phone number voicemail etc.

I signed up today, got an immediate confirmation with my phone number and log in info... very impressive. They give you a USB phone for free with sign-up. The phone should come in a couple of days so I'll post my experience in a couple of days. The voicemail works already! I could dial in right away to set up my voicemail announcement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7948990 Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:27:12 EDT Vonage Phone on Satellite Broadband? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7353270 hmccoy : Has anyone gotten the Vontage phone system to work on
Satellite Broadband? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7353270 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:09:41 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7353115 temp357 : you are outstanding! thanks for sharing the info.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7353115 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:51:56 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7352836 Automate :
said by dreamword See Profile:
Would be nice if they'd let you use softphones, but we have to remember that part of the reason 8x8 started Packet8 in the first place is to sell their hardware. This makes perfect sense, even apart from the potential for abuse.


What is wrong with this solution
»Got Softphone Working with Packet8

They need to make money on the service also. The hardware side has been loosing lots of money. If they offer a cool feature that neither Vonage or VoicePulse can/will support, they will probably get a lot of extra customers.

With the 2nd option they can guarantee they make money on the customer every month. With true unlimited they are probably loosing money on some high usage customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7352836 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:22:33 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7352697 dreamword : It was cool while it lasted :)...

(And yes, somebody finally publicly mentioned the thing I wasn't going to talk about -- if they allowed this, you could just pass out your login info to your friends and they could make unlimited free calls.)

Would be nice if they'd let you use softphones, but we have to remember that part of the reason 8x8 started Packet8 in the first place is to sell their hardware. This makes perfect sense, even apart from the potential for abuse.

Happily, there are open-source softphones for Linux one could tinker with if one wished. ;-) (Not that I have time.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7352697 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:06:35 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7348371 anon : >> Yes it would be cool to sit in a major airport, like DIA thats all wifi and talk on the phone

Wouldn't that be called a cell phone? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7348371 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:28:49 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347613 The Beer : Yes it would be cool to sit in a major airport, like DIA thats all wifi and talk on the phone, from my IPaq! Would be well worth the connect charge!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347613 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:15:22 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347446 Automate :
said by usa2k See Profile:
I would expect by MAC address? Public IP? Can you use the same ports and IP address behind NAT and the DTA will work? I don't know but I gave my thoughts anyway.
The MAC address is not included in a normal SIP communications. Vonage uses the MAC address only to TFTP your specific configuration file. The config file includes your password. Once you have your config file, all SIP authorization uses your password not the MAC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347446 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:58:31 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347354 Automate :
said by TBU8 See Profile:
as i understand it, P8 is concerned with authenticating the user. They are worried that a softphone user would share his account or lose control of it. The multiple endpoint policy would put the account (and margins) at risk.
Hope they consider giving the customer a choice:

1. Use only the DTA that Packet8 provides for as many residential minutes as you want.

or

2. Use more than one SIP client but only the first X number of minutes are included in the unlimited plan. Also, the customer would have to support themselves with any 3rd part SIP client.

If you choose the 2nd option it kind of eliminates someone from giving their password to their friends.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347354 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:49:46 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347325 usa2k :
said by nottoobright See Profile:
I wonder how they are distinguishing the traffic from the DTA ......
I would expect by MAC address? Public IP? Can you use the same ports and IP address behind NAT and the DTA will work? I don't know but I gave my thoughts anyway.

Or, maybe I should have really read Automate See Profile's answer an kept quiet?
--
jim,

Vonage User, iCH user, WideOpenWest, and a fan of LINUX and Windows in that order.

Link usa2k web page. No referrals, just links!
[text was edited by author 2003-07-08 21:48:44]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7347325 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:47:17 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346872 Automate :
said by nottoobright See Profile:
I wonder how they are distinguishing the traffic from the DTA ......
Included in the SIP packets are the type of client you are using. Kind of like the way your web browser tells a web server the client type.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346872 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:06:38 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346432 nottoobright : I wonder how they are distinguishing the traffic from the DTA ......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346432 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:23:08 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346369 TBU8 : as i understand it, P8 is concerned with authenticating the user. They are worried that a softphone user would share his account or lose control of it. The multiple endpoint policy would put the account (and margins) at risk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346369 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:15:39 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346180 jarruda :
said by dreamword See Profile:
Warning! Using softphones is apparently frowned upon. I just got this after starting up my softphone:

===

Subject: Your IP will be blocked
From: tech-support@packet8.net

We're receiving SIP messages from a non-compliant Packet8 endpoint from
your IP, and as we have an obligation to the rest of our customers, we
cannot allow non-compliant endpoints to communicate with our proxy. This
email is serving as a warning before we actually block your IP. If we are
still receiving these SIP messages from your IP after an hour of sending
this email, we will block your IP for 24 hours.

Thank you,

Packet8 Operations.


While I would tend to agree with their position (so far, no "bring your own SIP agent" feature was ever released :-), it is for sure bad news :-)
On the other hand, they could start to offer this, even at the same price, I'm sure some people would go for it.
Imagine the market for a PDA with GPRS and/or 802.11b doing "softphone" to P8 ? They do have an unfair advantage, they seem to have good voice quality with G.723, so it would fit just fine (I guess) in a 3 timeslot data call..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7346180 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:57:04 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7344364 dreamword : Warning! Using softphones is apparently frowned upon. I just got this after starting up my softphone:

===

Subject: Your IP will be blocked
From: tech-support@packet8.net

We're receiving SIP messages from a non-compliant Packet8 endpoint from
your IP, and as we have an obligation to the rest of our customers, we
cannot allow non-compliant endpoints to communicate with our proxy. This
email is serving as a warning before we actually block your IP. If we are
still receiving these SIP messages from your IP after an hour of sending
this email, we will block your IP for 24 hours.

Thank you,

Packet8 Operations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7344364 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:51:44 EDT Re: Check out the Intertex IX66! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7338111 gardel : Is the Intertex IX66 available in the US? It seems like a superb product. I wonder what it would take to get it to work with Packet8 and Vonage?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7338111 Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:08:23 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7337337 dreamword : Yeah, X-Lite works great for outgoing calls for me (with a real IP and no NAT). No love at all for incoming calls, of course, though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7337337 Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:52:19 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7336646 dentonb2000 : Well, I am not sure that is just a firewall issue. I took my laptop to work where I have a one-to-one nat mapping and still only got one way audio.

Possible I will have time tomorrow to watch the syslog for info on what packets might be dropped....

Has anyone successfully had xlite function with packet8?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7336646 Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:42:32 EDT Check out the Intertex IX66! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7336537 anon : The Intertex IX66 router/firewall/nat does a superb job solving all these problems. It uses stateful packet inspection and will "fix" SIP messages. It also opens media ports dynamically. Works like a charm with multiple hard- and softphones, using multiple SIP accounts, highly recommended.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7336537 Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:30:09 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7325291 dreamword : It's not surprising that softphones won't work with Packet8 behind NAT, even when they use STUN. If you'll recall from the Packet8 tech presentation somebody posted (»systems.stanford.edu/projects/andrews.ppt), they don't use standard STUN/TURN for NAT traversal. It's a proprietary protocol they created because TURN wasn't ready yet when they were developing the system (see slide 23). So, while this will work if you have a "real" IP, it won't work behind normal NAT. Now, if you poke holes in the NAT for the appropriate ports, it might work. Anybody tried it?

(Incidentally, that "blacklisting" I was talking about earlier went away after a few hours; probably has more to do with the softphone leaving connections open when it crashes than PAcket8 not liking me anymore.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7325291 Sun, 06 Jul 2003 15:12:14 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7324940 anon : Well, I am able to make a call now but receive one way audio. I believe the problem is related to the fact that I need to use 5061 for SIP and 8001 for RTP. I am probably using the wrong outbound proxy...if packet8 even has one or supports it.

Just thought I would share.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7324940 Sun, 06 Jul 2003 14:26:10 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7324589 rseiler : That crossed my mind, but then I figured that all the people above who said they did get it to work couldn't possibly not be using NAT. And what use would this product be with that huge limitation? Can one of those people say either way?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7324589 Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:43:10 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7324087 marcusdxb : I tried estara behind an ADSL modem/router. Kept getting the message "registration rejected" "server could not be reached, or it did not respond".

I tried just about every setting, with & without the DTA connected, no luck. Then I tried disconnecting the DSL line and made a dial up connection to get a "real" ip address and it worked fine. Quality wasnt too bad either, not great, but if you were on a trip somewhere without broadband it would do for a quick call.

The problem must be with the way the software deals with NAT etc. Beyond the scope of my knowledge I guess but if anyone has any ideas I would be grateful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7324087 Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:08:12 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7318227 rseiler : In the eStara context, what does "registering" mean? And what "server" is it referring to exactly? Before I uninstall this masterpiece, I thought I'd at least try to understand that and maybe see why it won't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7318227 Sat, 05 Jul 2003 14:19:30 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7316214 usa2k :
said by The Big Dawg See Profile:
Yes, I suspose I am what should I try?
Sip in general with an ATA can seem conflict using two devices behind NAT. You cannot choose port forwarding -- and that is a good idea when the option is there.

My service allows 3 real world IPs. If I tried iCH with an ATA and Vonage, I would have problems unless I used a hub and let the ATA get its own IP.

Later I experimented with a second Router, and experimented with running with both routers using NAT but linking them for local IP interaction -- that was problematic. (I also got the second router to experiment with wireless -- USR8022)

My final answer was to email Vonage and ask to switch the ATA to 8062/8063. I left my iCH ATA using 5060/5061, and never seriously cared about a soft phone. The USR8022 I am using without NAT, my RP614 is my NAT to the real world and is my DHCP server. It had keyword blocking and such that cuts down many annoying pop-ups.

The important thing to consider is that if you are trying to run the SAME account in two places at once, you cannot specify alternate ports, and you likely will have side-effects. You really need to do without one device, or get a second account. With a second account, does P8 allow different ports? Or does it traverse NAT more competently?

On the flip side P8 allows multiple DTA310s to ring the same number. Some people do that here. VoicePulse also, I believe, allows that with an ATA. My best guess is that they send the same initiation to more than one registered phones. That would also seem like someone could fake another connection and piggyback on your account -- however they likely authenticate the MAC address, and could also ensure one device per by assigning each known phone a different port assignment.
--
jim,
Vonage User, iCH user, WideOpenWest, and a fan of LINUX and Windows in that order.
Link to my Father-Inlaw's Gospel Quartet here!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7316214 Sat, 05 Jul 2003 07:14:32 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7316159 The Big Dawg : Yes, I suspose I am what should I try?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7316159 Sat, 05 Jul 2003 06:43:50 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7315153 Automate : Are you trying to use both the DTA and X-lite behind a NAT router? This will probably cause problems because both devices are trying to use the same ports on the internet IP address of the router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7315153 Sat, 05 Jul 2003 00:55:09 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7314019 The Big Dawg : OK, I downloaded xlite and set it up. It rings my other phone but when my wife picks it up she can't hear me and I can't hear her. Is there something I'm missing. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7314019 Fri, 04 Jul 2003 21:31:43 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7311740 anon : I have not been able to get anything other than dialing out. The remote phone rings, but there is never any connection established on the soft phone side.

Were there any other settings you had to change?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7311740 Fri, 04 Jul 2003 15:16:15 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7309777 rseiler : Ah, OK. Unfortunately, mine still won't register, coming back with "Server could not be reached, or it did not respond" even though everything's correct (like the IP address).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7309777 Fri, 04 Jul 2003 10:39:30 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7308481 Automate :
said by rseiler See Profile:
said by Automate See Profile:
Now they just send you an e-mail with a link to where you can get the password. As soon as you enter the password the 1st time the password goes away.


In my case, the email was simply a link...and the page it brought you to was nothing more than a sentence and a download link for the program. No password. Then I looked again at the email and assumed the password was the 8-digit "key" embedded in the URL, but apparently not.
wkendrvr and I were talking about the Packet8 10 digit password number not the Estara software.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7308481 Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:09:45 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7308384 rseiler : One day I hope they send the link with the password. It'll surely help in logging in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7308384 Fri, 04 Jul 2003 02:45:34 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7308101 Hilbe : I just ran a test and I got some nice information off the ATA. It told me all sorts of good information such as a Device ID, Interface Port, Software Version, Platform, etc. I saw it in CSD (Cisco Discover Protocol) using ethereal. Tomorrow I'll see if I can try to get one of those SIP clients to work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7308101 Fri, 04 Jul 2003 02:00:34 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7306403 rseiler :
said by Automate See Profile:
Now they just send you an e-mail with a link to where you can get the password. As soon as you enter the password the 1st time the password goes away.


In my case, the email was simply a link...and the page it brought you to was nothing more than a sentence and a download link for the program. No password. Then I looked again at the email and assumed the password was the 8-digit "key" embedded in the URL, but apparently not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7306403 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:37:38 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7306386 Automate :
said by dreamword See Profile:
The obvious answer seems to be to purchase another ATA for $100 or so on eBay.
If you want another "terminal adapter" that you plug a phone into I would go with another DTA from Packet8. I think they sell them for $100 and they would be fully supported by Packet8. You will not get support from Packet8 if you can't get a ATA to work with their service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7306386 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:35:42 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7306356 Packetloss : Well I could connect using the estara soft phones tonight when I tried, but as you said it was a 1 way conversation they could hear me, but not me hear them (or myself because I was calling my land line ;) Odd I wondered what happened, both computers I tried this one was like this, but I expected the one behind the firewall to do this, but the one on my DMZ did it as well, Odd... darn and I had so many cool ideas for this :) Maybe someone will figure this out and we'll have a backup DTA

said by dreamword See Profile:


Also, I tried it behind a NAT, and none of the incoming voice packets get through -- so you can talk, and they hear you, but you can't hear them. With some STUN tweaking, etc, this might be able to be resolved, but I haven't played with it yet.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7306356 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:32:44 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305532 dreamword : Yeah, that's what the traceroute looks like form my linux box. But from my WinXP box, it ends like this:


7 24 ms 32 ms 79 ms interconnect-eng.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.0.225.17]
8 * 25 ms 56 ms so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.level3.net [209.244.8.13]
9 133 ms 102 ms 153 ms so-1-0-0.mp1.SanJose1.level3.net [209.247.9.118]
10 94 ms 91 ms 102 ms POS10-0-100.snjpca1-br1.bbnplanet.net [64.159.4.74]
11 99 ms 92 ms 80 ms p1-0.snjpca1-cr3.bbnplanet.net [4.24.9.138]
12 h0.eightxeight.bbnplanet.net [4.24.235.74] reports: Destination net unreachable.

So something bad is happening at h0.eightxeight.bbnplanet.net. Hmm. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305532 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:07:55 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305462 Hilbe :
said by Automate See Profile:
>Give it a try and let us know if it works but my guess is that the password will be encrypted.

That was my assumption. We may be able to use the encypted password using the program, you never know until you try.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305462 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:01:30 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305312 BillRoland : 
Tracing route to sip-proxy.packet8.net [4.42.235.170]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
  1    10 ms     0 ms    10 ms  10.4.96.1
  2    20 ms    40 ms    10 ms  ip68-105-160-33.ga.at.cox.net [68.105.160.33]
  3    20 ms    20 ms    30 ms  lkhndsrc01-pos0704.rd.at.cox.net [68.1.15.9]
  4    20 ms    30 ms    20 ms  lkhnbbrc01-pos0101.rd.at.cox.net [68.1.0.4]
  5    20 ms    30 ms    20 ms  POS1-0.hsipaccess1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [209.246.169.5]
  6    20 ms    30 ms    40 ms  ge-6-1-0.bbr1.Atlanta1.level3.net [64.159.3.5]
  7    80 ms    81 ms    80 ms  so-2-0-0.mp1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.247.9.114]
  8    80 ms    80 ms   110 ms  POS10-0-100.snjpca1-br1.bbnplanet.net [64.159.4.74]
  9    80 ms    80 ms    90 ms  p1-0.snjpca1-cr3.bbnplanet.net [4.24.9.138]
 10    80 ms    81 ms    80 ms  h0.eightxeight.bbnplanet.net [4.24.235.74]
 11    90 ms    90 ms    80 ms  sip-proxy.packet8.net [4.42.235.170]
 
Trace complete.

--
"This is it, a few bumps and we're hauling the mail."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305312 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 20:44:44 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305010 Automate :
said by Hilbe See Profile:
I think if you packet sniff you may be able to retrieve the information you need to use this software with Vonage. This would be reverse engineering of sorts, but probably easy. Simply go get Ethereal (check google), its free packet sniffing software. Have it run a packet capture as you unplug and plug in your ATA. It should be able to grab all the packets sent to Vonage. With some investigation of those packets, you may be able to make out the server names and/or Vonage login information. I may take a crack at it later tonight.
Give it a try and let us know if it works but my guess is that the password will be encrypted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7305010 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 20:02:19 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304886 Hilbe :
said by Automate See Profile:
Doing it with Vonage will be much more difficult or impossible because they don't give you your password or access to your ATA. They also don't support multiple endpoints.


I think if you packet sniff you may be able to retrieve the information you need to use this software with Vonage. This would be reverse engineering of sorts, but probably easy. Simply go get Ethereal (check google), its free packet sniffing software. Have it run a packet capture as you unplug and plug in your ATA. It should be able to grab all the packets sent to Vonage. With some investigation of those packets, you may be able to make out the server names and/or Vonage login information. I may take a crack at it later tonight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304886 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:46:50 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304872 wkendrvr : Tracing route to proxy1.packet8.net [4.42.235.170]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 removed for privacy
2 30 ms 20 ms 10 ms 10.46.88.1
3 10 ms 20 ms 20 ms 10.53.97.65
4 30 ms 20 ms 20 ms 68.168.65.1
5 30 ms 20 ms 20 ms 24.48.9.129
6 20 ms 21 ms 20 ms g1-02-00-0.r0.cho00.adelphiacom.net [66.109.6.133]
7 20 ms 30 ms 20 ms unk-426d006d.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.109]
8 30 ms 20 ms 20 ms p3-00-00-00.r0.dca91.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.166]
9 30 ms 20 ms 30 ms unk-426d0192.adelphiacom.net [66.109.1.146]
10 30 ms 60 ms 20 ms gigabitethernet1-0.ipcolo2.Washington1.Level3.net [63.215.136.209]
11 30 ms 30 ms 20 ms ae0-5.bbr1.Washington1.level3.net [64.159.18.129]
12 100 ms 100 ms 101 ms so-0-0-0.mp1.SanJose1.level3.net [64.159.1.133]
13 100 ms 100 ms 100 ms POS10-0-100.snjpca1-r1.bbnplanet.net [64.159.4.74]
14 100 ms 110 ms 100 ms p1-0.snjpca1cr3.bbnplanet.net [4.24.9.138]
15 110 ms 100 ms 100 ms 0.eightxeight.bbnplanet.net [4.24.235.74]
16 100 ms 101 ms 100 ms sip-proxy.packet8.net [4.42.235.170]

Trace complete.


Edited to remove hostname...
[text was edited by author 2003-07-03 22:12:18]
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304872 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:45:20 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304797 dreamword : Hmm. Looks like there may be some disadvantages to this...

Both my desktop and my laptop, both of which I used softphones on, can no longer reach sip-proxy.packet8.net. They get "destination net unreachable" from the router right before sip-proxy.packet8.net. I wonder if I've been blacklisted or something. My linux box, which I haven't used for a SIP phone, can ping it just fine, and my DTA still works.

Also, I tried it behind a NAT, and none of the incoming voice packets get through -- so you can talk, and they hear you, but you can't hear them. With some STUN tweaking, etc, this might be able to be resolved, but I haven't played with it yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304797 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:37:52 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304683 Automate :
said by Section13 See Profile:
If someone takes a dive and tries it w/ Vonage, PLZ report back. I'd do it, but with my lack of tech knowledge, I'd spend most of my days asking you guys how to do this, how to do that. Wait, I already do that.

S13
Doing it with Vonage will be much more difficult or impossible because they don't give you your password or access to your ATA. They also don't support multiple endpoints.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304683 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:26:04 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304582 Section13 : If someone takes a dive and tries it w/ Vonage, PLZ report back. I'd do it, but with my lack of tech knowledge, I'd spend most of my days asking you guys how to do this, how to do that. Wait, I already do that.

S13]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7304582 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:14:44 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7302124 Automate :
said by wkendrvr See Profile:
I just looked and they never sent me the password, it was just on the web page... Any way to get it?
They use to send the password number in an e-mail. Now they just send you an e-mail with a link to where you can get the password. As soon as you enter the password the 1st time the password goes away.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7302124 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:19:22 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7302031 Packetloss : I not quite sure, but I get logged in in once, make 1 call and it stops letting me call out says rejected and won't let me log back in, but my DTA still works. I am using different real public IP's are you guys all behind a firewall using 1 IP and NAT?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7302031 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:11:05 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301950 wkendrvr : I just looked and they never sent me the password, it was just on the web page... Any way to get it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301950 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:05:16 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301601 Automate :
said by ginger777 See Profile:
Is there any sip telephone instrument this would work with? I don't want to tie up a computer to use it as a phone, but I am tired of carrying my ATA from between my house and my office.
I have not tired it but I would think the Grandsteam BudgeTone could be made to work, only about $75. »www.grandstream.com/y-product.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301601 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:33:50 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301585 dreamword : The obvious answer seems to be to purchase another ATA for $100 or so on eBay. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301585 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:32:25 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301493 ginger777 : Is there any sip telephone instrument this would work with? I don't want to tie up a computer to use it as a phone, but I am tired of carrying my ATA from between my house and my office.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301493 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:22:49 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301360 Packetloss : I agree I want Packet8 to stay in business as well, and I wouldn't want users to abuse the system, I'm glad we have some ethics here. I only want the soft phone for travel for the most part and maybe wifi laptop use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301360 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:09:12 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301283 Cam :
said by dreamword See Profile:
There's something else this allows, too, but I want packet8 to stay in business so I'll keep my damn mouth shut :).
I must have had the same thought you had. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301283 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:00:24 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301266 dreamword : Yup, that's exactly how it works. Whichever picks up first gets the call. This is a pretty good substitute for call waiting, since when I'm on a call on my DTA and have a softphone running, the softphone still rings when I get a call even though the DTA doesn't do call-waiting yet.

Also, there is the potential for abuse; the eStara phone, for instance, has three lines, and you can be on all three, plus the DTA, at once. Of course, at that point, I ran out of bandwidth and all four calls became choppy. But it works. There's something else this allows, too, but I want packet8 to stay in business so I'll keep my damn mouth shut :).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301266 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:58:14 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301055 Packetloss : Does anyone have Xten pro to try this on since that has 723? If you buy two it goes to $35 a copy. It would be great that way I could have the availability to use my Packet8 service anywhere.

In Packet8's FAQs they say you can have multiple DTA's attached to the same number, so I'm betting the software would look like an additional DTA so you could get phone calls on both devices, which ever one is answered is the one that takes the call I'm guessing ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7301055 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:36:12 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7299516 Automate : Mainly for traveling. When you go out of town you can leave your DTA connected up at home. Take your portable computer with you and you can make free calls on the road.

No need to carry a crossover cable, DTA and phone to make VOIP calls. You could even use it at a wireless hotspot like a cell phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7299516 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:30:53 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7298593 ejrobinson : I don't understand why you'd wish to add a sip softfphone to a sip hardware based service like packet8 or vonage. Could you explain please?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7298593 Thu, 03 Jul 2003 04:58:19 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7296935 selicade : Also, you can't make Packet8-to-Packet8 IP calls using G711... I found this out last night and tonight using my DTA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7296935 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:19:20 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7296515 dreamword : Yeah, it works fine with Xten-Lite on G.711, but for outgoing calls only.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7296515 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:28:23 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7295706 The Way Out : Did you actually try it with Xten lite, doing G.711? If so, this is hot!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7295706 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:54:02 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7293310 Automate :
said by dreamword See Profile:
The eStara is $100, and that sucks (though it's not TOTALLY clear to me that the "evaluation version" ever expires; it doesn't say anywhere when it's going to expire, anyway). I know there have to be other, cheaper SIP softphones out there that support G.723 -- maybe even something for free. Can anybody find one?
The G.723 codec is licensed and cost the hardware/software company money to include in their products so I don't think you will find it in any free products.

Xten Pro »www.xten.com/pro.php includes G.723 and only cost $50.
[text was edited by author 2003-07-02 16:40:11]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7293310 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:39:21 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7293192 dreamword : I've no idea whether this will work for Vonage; certainly worth a try, I suppose, if you can look at your ATA-186 configuration and you have some data that make sense for username and password.

The eStara softphone doesn't support recording conversations natively, though since the audio goes through your sound card, you could use any sound recording application to take care of that. Bit of a nasty kludge, though.

The eStara is $100, and that sucks (though it's not TOTALLY clear to me that the "evaluation version" ever expires; it doesn't say anywhere when it's going to expire, anyway). I know there have to be other, cheaper SIP softphones out there that support G.723 -- maybe even something for free. Can anybody find one?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7293192 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:26:44 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7293061 gardel : This is something I've been looking for (albeit, at less than $100 for the software). One question: Can you record phone conversations on your computer using the eStara?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7293061 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:10:05 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7292986 Section13 : will Vonage support this setup? Sounds very cool.

S13]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7292986 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:03:20 EDT Re: Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7292968 The Beer : Ok that is cool! Time to rip the notebook out for the next trip out of town! Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7292968 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:01:20 EDT Got Softphone Working with Packet8 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7292324 anon : Based on some info found on the Asterisk mailing list, I've got Packet8 working great with a softphone on my computer. I've tried several of them, and the only one I've found with a free trial that can do g.723 is the eStara phone, available from »www.estara.com. Several others work, but don't include g.723, so you can call out but can't receive calls (which fits with what people have been saying about changing the codec setting in the DTA310 and no longer being able to receive calls). But, if all you need is to make calls, you can use the free X-lite softphone from »www.xten.com.

On to the settings!

These are for the eStara phone, but they are generalizable to any SIP softphone.

Friendly name: {Anything you'd like.}
SIP domain: packet8.net
SIP proxy: packet8.net
Leave everything else at the default.

When you login, it will ask for a username and password.
Username: {Your Packet8 phone number, including leading "1"}
Password: {The 10-digit PIN code they emailed you that you entered during activation.}

And it's as simple as that. I can make calls -- in fact, multiple calls at once. And I can receive calls; both my DTA310 and my computer ring (though my computer sometimes doesn't ring; this will have something to do with a re-registration interval that I'll need to tweak at some point.)

I don't know how this will work with NAT traversal; my computer has a "real" IP address. But it works great for me. I'm off to RadioShack to grab a headset this afternoon :).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7292324 Wed, 02 Jul 2003 14:56:57 EDT