Anyone here listen to scanners? in Canadian Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r7455051 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:54:05 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:54:05 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7483628 Snickerdo :
said by Dark Shoes See Profile:
You're right about nothing being secure, maybe from your neighbour but not the government. If it's electronic then there's a good chance the CSE is monitoring it in some way. Their super-computers are crunching data all the time just like the National Security Agency does in the U.S.
Not only that, but I get a real kick out of privacy freaks believing its their god-given right to be able to do anything anywhere without anyone watching them. In your home, at long as it doesn't travel beyond your home is certainly something that should always remain private. Outside of your home (e.g. on the street) and stuff that leaves your home (e.g. telephone calls) are public domain. If you think that they're secure or that they should be secure you've got another thing coming. I mean my god, how on earth do you believe that monitoring cameras installed in a downtown core infringe on your personal privacy?! Anyone anywhere can watch you and following where you're going. What difference does a camera make?
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said by Michael See Profile:
Would you believe I actually typed in CSE instead of NSE in my previous post? Damn spy agencies trying to protect their identities. ;)
I actually thought you were trying to type NSA, very close either way. :)

You're right about nothing being secure, maybe from your neighbour but not the government. If it's electronic then there's a good chance the CSE is monitoring it in some way. Their super-computers are crunching data all the time just like the National Security Agency does in the U.S.
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In all seriousness, the CSE has some awesome capabilities according to the couple of books I have read about them. I honestly do not believe that ordinary citizens have truly secure communications.
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said by Ian See Profile:
CSIS already records all of your phone and internet traffic to listen to and read, anyway.. Adjusts tin-foil hat..
Don't forget about the Communications Security Establishment. :)

»www.cse-cst.gc.ca/
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Here is a link to the story:

»www.canoe.ca/CNEWSTechNews0106/0···sun.html

And here are some quotes from it:

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A new Ottawa-based website, www.cellphonescanner.com (to which a pornographic ad seemed to have been added late last night), is streaming live cellphone audio onto the Net from a radio that scans cellphone frequencies in the city.

While some might question whether it's ethical, it's entirely legal, and probably a stomach-churning shock to Ottawa's myriad of cellphone users who hadn't thought much about the fact that they're using a fancy two-way walkie-talkie on public airwaves.


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Dave Dawson, director of Regulatory Policy and Planning at Industry Canada, the federal department which regulates radio communications and radio spectrum in Canada, said the law is indefinite in this area.

"The law was intended to stop people from doing this kind of thing for criminal purposes or for commercial theft," said Dawson. "For example, no one shall intercept and make use of or divulge any radio communications interactions.

"But, people are misguided if they think their cellphone conversations are private," said Dawson.


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The www.cellphonescanner.com site is registered officially to Mike Smith at 1337 Main St. in Gloucester, a fictitious address. Efforts to reach the owner were unsuccessful.

The site claims to be "the Internet's first live streaming broadcast of cellular phone conversations" and posts a disclaimer on the privacy issue:

"Under Canadian law it is not illegal to listen to cellular broadcasts, it is however illegal to use any of the information you hear on the radio frequencies for your own personal gain, or for malicious purposes. Here at www.cellphonescanner.com we do not condone this type of activity."


I got a kick out of the (former) site's disclaimer policy as it seems to indicate that what he was doing with the site was wrong. I guess that is open to interpretation though. I wonder why the site is no longer broadcasting cellular phone calls...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7471908 Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:18:58 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7471111 DKS : Scanners are still legal. Analogue scanners don't need to be licensed, but digital ones do. Here are the regs.

»strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/1/sh50761e.html .
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said by Keith See Profile:
I may have saved a life Listening to a scanner(pat's myself on the back) I heard a fire /ambulance call in my building and I preformed A/R reviving the lady As the Fire department arrived so Listening to a scanner can have it's advantages
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I beat the fire department to a couple of calls on my street a few years ago ;) . Had a good chuckle with the fire chief about too!
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CanChat! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7470806 Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:18:21 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7470438 Michael : Looks like the laws have changed quite a bit since I was a scanner enthusiast.

I still question the part about being able to use information you have heard for personal gain as I just cannot see the laws changing that drastically.
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said by Michael See Profile:
Actually, you are not allowed to divulge anything heard on your scanner and you are also not allowed to use any info heard for personal gain, as I wrote earlier.
Actually, that's also incorrect. You can release the contents of the conversation all you want, so long as it isn't used for purposes of corporate sabotage. I believe you can even use it for 'personal gain' as long as it is within the bounds of other laws. There is a website based out of Ottawa that has recordings of all sorts of analog 800MHz cell phone conversations available for download from the net. Nothing at all illegal about, as much as everyone in Ottawa wishes it were :)
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said by Krispy See Profile:
Just being Captain Obvious here but...you do know that is a federal crime right? We have a 'leakage' tech that drives our cable systems with all sorts of crazy scanning devices to find RF faults and he has to take great care not to listen in on frequencies such as 900MHZ as we can get in a lot of trouble for that.
Actually, that's incorrect. It's not a crime in Canada to listen in to unecrypted wireless conversations SO LONG AS you do not use the contents of those conversations in acts of corporate sabotage. Since Cogeco is a corporation it might have something to do with the fact that you can't listen in. A person with a scanner can listen to everything in the 800MHz and 900MHz band, though.
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said by JayMan See Profile:
It's only illegal if you hear about the cops about to raid a persons house and you call them to warn them.


Actually, you are not allowed to divulge anything heard on your scanner and you are also not allowed to use any info heard for personal gain, as I wrote earlier.
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the only stupid question is the one not asked
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7469778 Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:12:27 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7469668 JayMan :
said by DKS See Profile:
said by Krispy See Profile:
Just being Captain Obvious here but...you do know that is a federal crime right? We have a 'leakage' tech that drives our cable systems with all sorts of crazy scanning devices to find RF faults and he has to take great care not to listen in on frequencies such as 900MHZ as we can get in a lot of trouble for that.


I understand you can listen to such material but you can't talk about it. Talking about it *is* a crime.


It's only illegal if you hear about the cops about to raid a persons house and you call them to warn them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7469668 Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:00:36 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7469554 Michael :
said by DKS See Profile:
I understand you can listen to such material but you can't talk about it. Talking about it *is* a crime.


It's been quite some time since I have owned a scanner and the laws may have changed but my last recollection regarding the legalities of what you hear on a scanner are as follows:

You cannot divulge what you have heard on a scanner and you cannot use any information heard on a scanner for personal gain of any sort.

It is not illegal to listen to cell phones in Canada, however it is illegal in the U.S.
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said by Ian See Profile:
CSIS already records all of your phone and internet traffic to listen to and read, anyway.. Adjusts tin-foil hat..


In all honesty, I really don't think you are too far off the mark here James. I believe a lot of our communications are at least logged and available to be delved into down the road, if a need arises. I don't believe there is any such thing as privacy when it comes to electronic communications. The NSE has equipment that scanner enthusiasts can only dream about.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7468424 Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:57:17 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7468190 DKS :
said by Krispy See Profile:
Just being Captain Obvious here but...you do know that is a federal crime right? We have a 'leakage' tech that drives our cable systems with all sorts of crazy scanning devices to find RF faults and he has to take great care not to listen in on frequencies such as 900MHZ as we can get in a lot of trouble for that.


I understand you can listen to such material but you can't talk about it. Talking about it *is* a crime.
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said by omega7000:
Just tuning into the weather...and 900MHZ phone calls. ;) *snicker*

Just being Captain Obvious here but...you do know that is a federal crime right? We have a 'leakage' tech that drives our cable systems with all sorts of crazy scanning devices to find RF faults and he has to take great care not to listen in on frequencies such as 900MHZ as we can get in a lot of trouble for that. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7467905 Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:03:15 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7467056 quanta : I used to have a GE cordless phone, you could here a radio station playing in the background when you turned it on. And sometimes I could hear conversations...not clearly, very quiet, and with a lot of static so it was incoherent. I don't know who it was, but it appeared to be two English female speakers, and they were almost ALWAYS yakking away all times of the day.

Anyone else have interesting stories about scanners?
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I discovered this by accident, when the power went out in my building and I happened to be on the phone. You have to walk in just the right spot to pick up a signal.

What annoys me is I'll sometimes pick up other cordless phones randomly while I'm talking on mine.

I think you can use a baby monitor to pick up some phones.

I bascially feel like I'm on broadcast radio whenever I use my cordless phone...I'm sure there are tons of people picking me up accidentally or otherwise. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7464147 Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:19:22 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7461317 Airwolf : sure... ;) *nudge nudge*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7461317 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:03:07 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7459475 Beverly0 : Scanners are very interesting to listen to. My mom has owned a scanner since the early 90's. There have been a few times when I was a teenager she heard my name on the scanner. I was innocent though, I never got into trouble!
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Radio Shack Pro-66

I mainly use it to listen to trunked police frequencies, General Motors (where my dad works), weather, OPP (when im on the 401) and.

As for the 900MHZ phones. Some phone calls get kicked out because their phones automatically swtitches channels (frequencies) to eliminate static..or have to be manually pressed to switch. Therefore.. most of the time I don't get get the whole call. I don't really sit and listen to all of it.. get's boring.. I just see who's up at night in the city talking on the phone.

One time tho... I got the last 4 digits of a phone number...and an ICQ number! lol.. this was mean but..I messaged that person on icq saying.. " I tapped your lines.. I know where you live "...didn't get a reply. I was 13 when I did that.

You can get some pretty funny police calls.. such as this

Dispatch: " We have a code ### " (whatever it was) Woman complaining that a gentleman is yelling in front of her apartment with a basball bat on (so and so street).

Or this one is sad but kinda funny in a way.

Woman " Could you please send an ambulance.. "
Dispatch " Paramedics are on the way "

10 mins later

Woman " Where's the ambulance? "
Dispatch " Mam, the ambulance will be there shortly "

10 mins later

Woman " The ambulance isn't here "
Dispatch " We'll dispatch another one. "

Few mins later

Ambulance that didn't arrive " Is this is correct address? " *confirming address number and name*
Dispatch " That was 728 not 7208 "
Dispatch " Return to the station, I've already dispatched another one.

Not the exact words but it was something like that.

Anyway... just curious to see who does listen to scanners.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7459084 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:56:54 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456621 OLDb34tBoX : I saw the movie, Scanners. =\]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456621 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:15:15 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456478 shaner : Those Panasonics are digital or DSS cordless. Which means they shouldn't be able to be picked up. Uniden TRU's are really good as well. But yes, 2.4's are designed for more security, and the vast majority of them are digital which means they won't be picked up by scanners. Unless of course, you have one of those $39.95 Memorex jobs from Walmart. Really, the best way to ensure your cordless is secure is to make sure it's digital.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456478 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:53:59 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456476 marcchabot :
said by quickbeam See Profile:
are the 2.4 ghz more secure then ?


Not the panasonic with 2 antennas, one for 2.4 the other for 900.

look a uniden's TRU line
they have regular "phony 2.4" and TRU 2.4
two years ago I bought a Uniden TRU346 to my mother

I bought a scanner to my father when he retired, much more interesting than TV. :-D

I don't have time to use my good old radio shack PRO2006

If you're looking for a professional radio stuff, google for ELKEL, much better that your local rat.shack :-D

Marc]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456476 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:53:50 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456318 quickbeam : are the 2.4 ghz more secure then ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7456318 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:31:16 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7455995 shaner :
said by quickbeam See Profile:
"Just tuning into the weather...and 900MHZ phone calls. *snicker*"

Pretty lame listening to other people's phone calls. Hope that's a joke.
You don't know what you're picking up, and sometimes you've listened to part of a conversation before you realise it's a personal phone call. Then it sort of becomes the loud argument in the apartment next to you; you can't help but hear it. That being said, people just don't know how unsecure cordless and analog cellular communication is.

No, I don't have one. It's right there on my wishlist with the shortwave radio.
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said by quickbeam See Profile:
"Just tuning into the weather...and 900MHZ phone calls. *snicker*"

Pretty lame listening to other people's phone calls. Hope that's a joke.
Back in school in the early 90's I worked in Radio Shack. People used to ask all the time if they could get cell phones on scanners. I used to love making those kind of comments :) Oddly, I still sold a lot of scanners.
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Pretty lame listening to other people's phone calls. Hope that's a joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7455764 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:47:45 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7455410 DKS : What equipment do you have? I have a Bearcat 200XLT, cellular unlocked. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7455410 Mon, 21 Jul 2003 06:30:23 EDT Re: Anyone here listen to scanners? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7455351 Viggen93 : I don't listen to a scanner (mainly because it's a little outta my price range right now) but I have an airband receiver which I use when I go to Toronto airport to watch planes. Geeky enough for ya ;-)
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