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 ChrisXPUnited We Stand, Divided We FallPremium
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USA | reply to Snickerdo
Re: Good luck by 2005 said by Snickerdo:
I know someone in Resolute who already has satellite broadband access. There are NO wires in the north, so your comments about islands et all are void.
Right, it's on SAT. Wrong about it being void.
Now ask that person how well that reception is 365 days a year. Then who can afford access to it when they're living on welfare.
I used Resolute Bay as an example because it's one of most well known high arctic communities, but it's also the hub community and scientific base that has all the data access. It's not the example for all of the communities, which doesn't relish the benefits of a government presence.
said by Snickerdo:
Everything up there is done by satellite, including internet. From the mainland south you'll see wireless microwave and wireline connections.
The Great Barrens has "wireless microwave and wireline connections"? No one lives out there to even have access to it, let alone visit the area to service the equipment! It would be the landbridge for Cambridge Bay/Gjoa Haven but nothing lives out there but wildlife. There's a reason that area isn't populated and was narrowly populated before white men discovered it -- it's not called the Great Barrens for nothing.
said by Snickerdo:
Don't expect to see anything but satellite on Baffin Island. Just the same though, that's more then most US citizens can get/afford.
SAT's not the answer up there due to the atmosphere interference like solar storms, which knocks out the network cold (nevermind the winter storms that destroys the SAT equipment).
»image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/storm/storms.html
»solar.physics.montana.edu/press/···idx.html
»www.psc.edu/science/Goodrich/goodrich.html
It can only have a presence in communities that can maintain them, and northern communities are small to begin with (very expensive to maintain hamlets as food and equipment must be shipped from the south).
Example of just the headache folks get just to have phone service:
»www.nnsl.com/yir/yir01/yirnun01.html
Cut off in Sanikiluaq
Nunavut's southernmost community was plagued with telephone outages in late January, after an important piece of equipment conked out.
Repairs were held up by Mother Nature, which delayed a NorthwesTel charter carrying a replacement part to the hamlet.
[You can read also about the guy who froze to death in a blizzard checking traplines. Just imagine a service crew trying to maintain a network in Timbuktu, Canada].
Broadband in the north is a pipe dream. The politicians are smoking some dope if they think they can literally dish (or wire) 3 million square miles of tundra for about 60,000 people to have access to it, let alone they can keep it up to the levels of even the worst US ISP!
[NASA image of the pack ice formation in Arctic Canada]....
»visibleearth.nasa.gov/data/ev92/···.1km.jpg
Nevermind most won't be able to afford it in the first place (check the newsfeed article above about the problems just to maintain heat in homes up there).
When September comes shipping is closed, and air service is severely limited to emergency operations (like healthcare flights to Edmonton, weather permitting). If a major part fails, the area will be SOL to fix it.
said by Snickerdo:
Uhh... yeah, shows exactly just how much you know about international geography. Do you know what 'landlocked' means, per chance?
They are not separated by waterways that crisscross through them like in the Canadian arctic. They are peninsulas and a land mass, and are literally landlocked to a mainland (or one).
You Canadians need to learn more of your northern neighbors.
Broadband for them? Computers? They'd like to be able to buy a nice 4 wheeler or Ski-Doo and have access to parts to fix them in winter. They're trying to survive up there not chat online!
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 SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON
| Say what you want, you should check the map to see exactly what is considered a "Community" by the federal government. There's not that many up in the north. Every "Community" in the Yukon has ADSL access right now. Similar plans are underway for the NWT. Don't quite know about Nunivut though, a single strand of fiber would be enough for the entire territory but getting it down in the ocean would be tough up there.
Their telephones are all satellite-based, no reason to assume their internet wouldn't be either - as in, a DSLAM at their local telco switching office hooked up to a satellite net link to the rest of the country. How is that not considered broadband?
As for taking months to fix if something breaks, isn't that what you guys down in the USA are used to anyway? Hey, at least they're getting US quality of service at the very minimum!
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SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON | reply to ChrisXP
said by ChrisXP:
[You can read also about the guy who froze to death in a blizzard checking traplines. Just imagine a service crew trying to maintain a network in Timbuktu, Canada].
You Canadians need to learn more of your northern neighbors.
Timbuktu is in Africa, not Canada. You're more then likely thinking of Tuktoyaktuk.
In the future, I suggest the American not make mistakes like this while in the same message making snide and condescending remarks about Canadians not knowing their own country. I assure you, myself and Robert know a good deal more about our own country then you do. Robert lived there, and I have family who still to this day live on Baffin Island (Arctic Bay/Nanisivik). Next time, at least get the settlements correct.
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ChrisXPUnited We Stand, Divided We FallPremium
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USA | said by Snickerdo:
Timbuktu is in Africa, not Canada. You're more then likely thinking of Tuktoyaktuk.
Actually Timbuktu -- which it's general meaning is a town in the middle of nowhere. And you can pick up that meaning from the term "Smalltown, USA" too.
I won't bother to comment on the rest of the trash as it has nothing to do with the thread in question.
BTW, in case you didn't know (and you don't) the Inuit aren't one people. The Inuit in the Baffin region are totally different than those further south (more so as they were the most effected by European exposure), much like Japanese and Koreans are different. So don't make the mistake of comparing them all as one -- which tends to be a common mistake even with other races, but because they look the same people automatically claim they are.
But back to broadband in all Canada: only in the south Canada. Nearly impossible to deliever it to people who have little use for it.
CXP
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SnickerdoPremium
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Niagara Falls, ON | There really is a place in Africa called Timbuktu, so when you mentioned that about Canada I assumed you meant Tuktoyaktuk since they could be mistaken for one another. Valid explaination and I do apologise for the other comments since I took your comment out of context to begin with. No hard feelings I hope.
Needless to say, broadband WILL happen in the north, just like telephones are there right now. It's a matter of including an internet connection on that same satellite and then using point-to-moint DSL modems for anyone who wants the service. As you said, I'm sure most people in the arctic couldn't care less about broadband, but it will at least be available to them if they want it. It is already available to every 'community' in the Yukon. I use the term community, because the feds have an actual definition of what a community is. Mind you, the Yukon has a LOT of fiber running along the pipelines leading into Alaska so providing broadband there isn't as big of an issue as it is to a place that requires satellite access. As I said previously, a house (or in this case, igloo) that already doesn't have any wireline telephone service isn't going to be getting broadband internet service anytime soon. These aren't a 'community' by definition. One can say the same thing about homes in the middle of nowhere in Northern Ontario or Northern Quebec.
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