| * please provide catchy title If i get sued i will kick one of those stupid riaa lawyers right in the nuts. |
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| If you get sued you will have no one to blame but yourself. I believe the correct term for it is Pay2Play. 
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| that won't stop me from kicking them RIGHT SQUARE IN THE NUTS |
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pianotechPianotechPremium
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| said by DataRiker:
that won't stop me from kicking them RIGHT SQUARE IN THE NUTS
No problem, just remember to bring your checkbook. 
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| i was only joking of course. sharing copyrighted material is
ILLEGAL, but i believe the measures of the RIAA are getting a little drastic (AGREE?). |
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pianotechPianotechPremium
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| said by DataRiker:
i was only joking of course. sharing copyrighted material is
ILLEGAL, but i believe the measures of the RIAA are getting a little drastic (AGREE?).
Sure I do...but what else is left when non-drastic measures fail??
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| know what would be drastic? if those people would take a minute and realize that they have a potential goldmine here, and actually make an online music store that didn't suck. that wouldn't be drastic, and i bet a whole bunch of people who download music would do it from them if the terms were reasonable. (and then we would find out how much of their profit loss is due to p2p and not the result of a)the music coming out and b)backlash from their actions).
i see all the riaa flag wavers never like to mention how they got caught price fixing. do you realize that as soon as that suit got settled, new albums coming out at best buy went to 8 or 9 dollars each? wow, the all mighty do what we say not do what we do riaa managed to cost me 4 or 5 dollars per cd i bought for several years.
instead of standing up for those people, why not use your position as a musician to make them do the right thing?
edit: id also like to mention that i bought a cd and it would not play in a computer. thats funny because it had the same cd audio lable that means that its compatable with all cd-audio devices. again why not use your position as an artist to demand the recording industry stops with such actions as that. i mean, if someone sold you a piano, but only let you play it in their show room and not in your house, i bet you'd find problem with that.
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said by pianotech:
Sure I do...but what else is left when non-drastic measures fail??
The record companies could try creating an online music service that people would actually use - one that has reasonable prices; one that has the entire catalogs of all the labels, including old stuff; one that doesn't assume you are a criminal that will immediately share your legally purchased tunes with the rest of the world if they don't wrap the file in 20 layers of DRM.
Like someone else pointed out: water is free everywhere but there is still a booming market in bottled water. would you buy bottled water if you could only drink it in the store where you bought it? How about if you could only drink it in the container you bought it in (couldn't pour it into a glass)? |
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Now it's too late. The cat is out of the bag. If I open an online music store where you can download songs for $0.05 a pop with unrestricted playback, and I'll even burn you compilation CDs (say $1 per CD + shipping), why would anyone sign up if they can get all that for free at Kazaa??
Quite honestly, I think the RIAA is doomed, and they're their own worst enemy. |
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The RIAA sucks. My concern is this: no one is drawing the distinction between independents and major acts. It's easy for people to lump all of us together, but most of us are people who work every day at what they do and have bills to pay same as you. To those who don't think I should be paid for my work, I suggest finding a new job that doesn't pay you anything. Did that insult anyone? If so...see my point?
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i see all the riaa flag wavers never like to mention how they got caught price fixing. do you realize that as soon as that suit got settled, new albums coming out at best buy went to 8 or 9 dollars each? wow, the all mighty do what we say not do what we do riaa managed to cost me 4 or 5 dollars per cd i bought for several years.
instead of standing up for those people, why not use your position as a musician to make them do the right thing?
I don't stand up for the RIAA, but for indie musicians who have no control or say over the distribution of their works. That's not unreasonable, is it?
The RIAA made their bed and can now lie in it. The problem is, you're shooting them with a bazooka with no regard for the resulting collateral damage (us non-RIAA independents).
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id pay 50 cents per song to download, or 5 per album to download it easy. a lot of people i know would. there are many ups to that. for example, no chance to download some retarded version of the song if you're buying it from a legit source, no risk of having the gestapo sue you, less time involved if i could go to a website, browse some lists pick some songs and click download instead of having to search and deal with crap and slow speeds and whatnot. there would be many plusses, but it would require the music industry to actually think about it instead of just suing everyone in the world to keep things from changing.
imagine if the horse breeders sued henry ford for helping to make their buisiness obsolete. or everyone who bought a car. or, since those are crappy analogies, imagine if shepherds sued petting zoos, because by god if you want to pet a sheep you need to buy one at the prices fixed by the shepherds instead of going to the petting zoo.
i don't bother downloading stuff that i could buy anymore, aside from individual songs that i cannot rip for some reason (some times on enhanced cds i am unable to get the last song). ill just wait til someone i know buys it, then ill listen to it and see if its worth it, usually its not. all i download anymore is stuff you cannot buy.
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said by RIAA_sucks:
...why would anyone sign up if they can get all that for free at Kazaa??
If that thinking were correct then why is iTunes doing so well? People will pay for this music if it presented in a reasonable way. CD prices are way too high considering the alternatives for your spending dollars. That's probably the biggest reason why people prefer P2P. Most online music venues have too many restrictions or cost at least as much as the expensive albums so again the industry isn't even trying to compete for the public's buying dollar.
P2P isn't really the competitor because people's money isn't directed to that channel. DVD's, video games, and other new impulse entertainment items are what people are buying. They are buying them because they perceive them as a better value. I will guarantee if a new CD had a standard list price of $9.99 and less you will see a large increase in sales.
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Lets not forget the independent labels are the ones getting major increases in their sales, and they attribute that to music file sharing.
»www.csmonitor.com/2003/0411/p13s02-almp.html
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Sure I do...but what else is left when non-drastic measures fail??
Then You change your business model to suit the need of your customer, Lower prices, offer incentives, and sell your product where the action is, Online.
not alienate them and impose restrictions on fair use, meanwhile filling your fat pockets with outrageous sums of money from the regular Joe who only wanted to sample the product before he could purchase it. |
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said by SRFireside:
Lets not forget the independent labels are the ones getting major increases in their sales, and they attribute that to music file sharing.
»www.csmonitor.com/2003/0411/p13s02-almp.html
I promise I won't forget that....*IF*...you don't forget that a living, breathing, rent-paying musician tells you that file sharing is hurting him.
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Sure I do...but what else is left when non-drastic measures fail??
Then You change your business model to suit the need of your customer, Lower prices, offer incentives, and sell your product where the action is, Online.
not alienate them and impose restrictions on fair use, meanwhile filling your fat pockets with outrageous sums of money from the regular Joe who only wanted to sample the product before he could purchase it.
What's that have to do with independent, non-label-affiliated musicians. Or do they have fat pockets too?
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said by pianotech:
It's easy for people to lump all of us together, but most of us are people who work every day at what they do and have bills to pay same as you. To those who don't think I should be paid for my work, I suggest finding a new job that doesn't pay you anything. Did that insult anyone? If so...see my point?
Your point is well seen; however, have you watched MTV lately? If not, I suggest that you do; just to compare the quality of music that some of these so-called artists put out there with their lifestyles. Some of these so-called artists can't even spell and/or put together a grammatically correct sentence, yet live in million-dollar homes, drive Ferraris and have the nerve to cry poverty. I think what really scares RIAA is the fact that as more and more independent artists take their music directly to their fans, their own artists are facing a lot more competition than they ever did before, and it will be the public that will decide what music is good and what music is not, not RIAA. Which means that all the RIAA artists will have to start producing some quality stuff if they want to keep up. ACTUALLY WORKING FOR A LIVING like mostly everyone else does, what a concept? It must be scaring the sh*t out of them.
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pianotech why do you have to be such a troll when it comes to p2p topics. given the manner in which you post people might start believing you work for the RIAA. you certainly act as if you do.
""My concern is this: no one is drawing the distinction between independents and major acts. It's easy for people to lump all of us together""
- No it isn't easy, there is a HUGE difference: money and success. 'major acts' have it, people like YOU do not. plain and simple. this is why it is ludicrous that you actually think p2p causes you to lose sales. you are LUCKY to have anyone interested in your music downloading it and sharing it online, because if by some miracle your music was ANY GOOD people would become FANS, and fans would pay for official/authentic CDs as well as for concerts/performances! Your problem is that do not understand basic economics and business, so you come to the boards here on p2p topics flaming everyone and calling them criminals and evil morally bankrupt people because YOU think that p2p is costing you money!
""most of us are people who work every day at what they do and have bills to pay same as you.""
- Small time bands make their money off of live shows and small time stuff, NOT CD releases! If anything, any CDs a small time group might have are more for advertising themselves than serving as a significant means of income.
""To those who don't think I should be paid for my work, I suggest finding a new job that doesn't pay you anything. Did that insult anyone? If so...see my point?""
- Go search for 'your work' on p2p networks. I bet you wont even be able to find it. LOL. So much for your prophecies of doom. |
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