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 KaltesPremium
join:2002-12-04
Los Angeles, CA | reply to pianotech
Re: * please provide catchy title ""I don't stand up for the RIAA, but for indie musicians who have no control or say over the distribution of their works. That's not unreasonable, is it?""
- Only an idiot would claim that p2p hurts 'indie musicians'. As for control or say over distribution, I think you very well know that the RIAA members are the ones who control music market access. What really bothers you is the mental image of some sniveling teenager 'stealing' your 'hark work' online and laughing all the way to the bank. I hope someday you wake up and realize your little fantasy isn't true.
- As far as control over your works goes, we both know you don't have the money to pursue infringement lawsuits, even against people who might truly be in the wrong. Your rights as a small-timer are screwed from the outset by the nature of the judicial system, so whether or not the RIAA stops sharing of THEIR songs, you won't ever be able to enforce your rights ANYWAY because you can't afford it.
""The problem is, you're shooting them with a bazooka with no regard for the resulting collateral damage (us non-RIAA independents).""
- If I were a teacher, and you were a student, and you had paid me, then I might educate you as to why p2p doesn't affect small timers like you in any event (unless you are unknown and very good in which case your music might take off on p2p, which would create demand for concerts and lucrative big label contracts). I will have to leave you to your ignorance however, and instead I will mock you appropriately when you continue to post your uninformed ignorant conclusions about how p2p is the downfall of the indie artist (LOL).
Am I being a little abusive in my posts? Maybe you will start to understand how YOUR posts make everyone else on the boards feel now. | | |
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KaltesPremium
join:2002-12-04
Los Angeles, CA | reply to pianotech
""I promise I won't forget that....*IF*...you don't forget that a living, breathing, rent-paying musician tells you that file sharing is hurting him.""
- and HOW do you know file sharing is hurting you? and if you have some kind of special circumstances that somehow translate into p2p causing you harm, that clearly doesn't apply to the indie labels. now you've narrowed your supposedly harmed group down to 'non-indie label small time musicians'? there is a word for those people: UNEMPLOYED. | |
 pianotechPianotechPremium
join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA
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Kaltes said:
" No it isn't easy, there is a HUGE difference: money and success. 'major acts' have it, people like YOU do not. plain and simple. this is why it is ludicrous that you actually think p2p causes you to lose sales. you are LUCKY to have anyone interested in your music downloading it and sharing it online, because if by some miracle your music was ANY GOOD people would become FANS, and fans would pay for official/authentic CDs as well as for concerts/performances!"
Since you can't debate your side of the argument without including personal insults ("..if by some miracle your music was any good people would become fans.."), I'll not respond.
" Go search for 'your work' on p2p networks. I bet you wont even be able to find it. LOL. So much for your prophecies of doom."
Used to find it regularly on Napster and AudioGalaxy, which was what got me annoyed in the first place. Still, I don't see why the need to include personal insults, but that's just me. 
"- If I were a teacher, and you were a student, and you had paid me, then I might educate you "
Education from you not needed, though I do find it amusing that if you provide it you expect to be paid for it. 
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wtansillNcc1701
join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA | reply to pianotech
said by pianotech:
said by DataRiker:
i was only joking of course. sharing copyrighted material is
ILLEGAL, but i believe the measures of the RIAA are getting a little drastic (AGREE?).
Sure I do...but what else is left when non-drastic measures fail??
The realization that you've lost the hearts and minds of your customers (as well as some of the artists you claim to represent), that your business model is dead, and that it's time to re-think your position.
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That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. | |
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said by DataRiker:
sharing copyrighted material is
ILLEGAL,
I share copyrighted work with the several local libraries as well as the university library all the time, including the very copyrighted works the RIAA are trying to protect...
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 ravitalJust Another Pesky Independent Nh VoterPremium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH | reply to crazediamond
said by crazediamond:
id pay 50 cents per song to download, or 5 per album to download it easy. a lot of people i know would. there are many ups to that. for example, no chance to download some retarded version of the song if you're buying it from a legit source, no risk of having the gestapo sue you, less time involved if i could go to a website, browse some lists pick some songs and click download instead of having to search and deal with crap and slow speeds and whatnot.
And the next logical step would be, that the retailer still sells shrink-wrapped CDs, but also makes compilations for you if you don't have a computer, or just don't feel like spending the time searching. He'll charge you a reasonable fee for it and you can swing by after 6 tonight and pick it up. No, that makes to much sense for the RIAA.
If you're interested in the kind of downloading you want, try emusic.com:
* FREE 50 d/l or 3 months trial
* $15/mo. if you want a 3 month membership
* $10/mo. if you want a 12 month membership
* ABSOLUTELY UNLIMITED downloads when you're a paying member
* NO RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVER, you can burn whatever you download as many times as you want and transfer to as many devices as you want for life (that's better than iTunes).
* If for any reason a title becomes foobared and you can't recover it, for as long as you're a member, they keep a database of all your downloads so you can easily download it again.
Downside:
* The catalogue is still expanding, but you can search for anything at all without even signing up.
* Some mis-labeling here and there, typos etc.
* The occasional defective or duplicate track, you report it to them, they fix it.
Just be reasonable. I've downloaded as many as 4 albums in one night, never had a problem. Somebody else complained here on BBR that emusic.com had the nerve to send him a warning after he downloaded 100 albums in one weekend (well, duuuhh..). Just bear in mind that the site is designed for adults.
No, I don't work for them, just a happy former customer, waiting to see their offerings expand a little before I go back. | |
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