| "How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA" here is the real guide:
drive to the nearest coffee shop with public internet, don't even have to go in. connect and share on a full T-1. |
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 DavidNow accepting new patientsPremium,VIP
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here is the real guide:
drive to the nearest coffee shop with public internet, don't even have to go in. connect and share on a full T-1.
As much as I hate to say it, it would work. How would the coffee shop know??
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Shhhhhhh dammit! |
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it does work.I know people who do it all the time. they go to study and if they park close enough you can leave your labtop right in the car (not a very good idea) while your sipping on a mocha and reading a math book. its that easy because the coffee shops around me have NO security, and strong signals, they have to in order for people on the storefront to get a signal.
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 pianotechPianotechPremium
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New Castle, PA | Wow...let's not stop with copyright infringement, let's start cheating coffee shops too. 
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Stepford, CA | You are so brainwashed you don't even realize how ridiculously blind you are to monopolies like the RIAA whose main revenue generating model is to sue the very people they can least afford to alienate.
If you are indeed a real musician with a professional music contract then you deserve to get screwed over by the record companies.
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pianotechPianotechPremium
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You are so brainwashed you don't even realize how ridiculously blind you are to monopolies like the RIAA whose main revenue generating model is to sue the very people they can least afford to alienate.
If you are indeed a real musician with a professional music contract then you deserve to get screwed over by the record companies.
I'm confused...I have to have a music contract with a record label to be a professional musician? That's news to me! I thought all I had to do was make my living as a musician for the past 20 years and I could consider music my profession.
Tell me then...what are your thoughts to the independent musician such as myself? I know you can't resist labeling me as "brainwashed" because I have the gall to expect payment for my work. It's very easy to label anyone who disagrees with you as "brainwashed by the RIAA," but it's an argument that doesn't require much thought on your part. So I'll give you the opportunity to try again, since I believe in being fair to all parties. 
The question therefore is, what are your thoughts about the independent musician such as myself? Do I have the right to be able to control the distribution of my work, or does that make me a monopolist?
PS...when you say that the recording industry cannot afford to alienate the people who are ripping them off, it's like saying that Wal-Mart can't afford to alienate shoplifters. Any business can (and should) alienate those who would cheat them.
*edit* added the PS.
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| WHAT???????????????????????? If you're an independent musician, why on earth are you in bed with the RIAA like that???!!! Are you trying to get them to cut you a deal or get you a gig or something???????? |
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WHAT???????????????????????? If you're an independent musician, why on earth are you in bed with the RIAA like that???!!! Are you trying to get them to cut you a deal or get you a gig or something????????
Hey, this is getting better and better! Because I enjoy being paid for my work, I'm "in bed with the RIAA."
You guys, man...can anyone spell MANTRA?
Ok, I'll bite..questions for RIAA_sucks:
Do you work for money or for free? If you work for money, would you consider working for free? If not, why not?
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Stepford, CA | Don't Confuse Issues said by pianotech:
Do you work for money or for free? If you work for money, would you consider working for free? If not, why not?
Don't confuse the issues. This is not about expecting you or anyone else for that matter to work for free. And if anything, if you check the facts instead of reading RIAA propaganda, even at the heighth of Napster, the music business was booming. File trading enhanced sales, not detracted from it. But don't take my word for it, go to any independently commissed report on read the facts.
If musicians are getting ripped it isn't because of the file traders, it's because the record companies pay pennies on the dollar for every X thousands in royalties they reap from music proceeds.
The entire P2P issue has arisen simply because the RIAA has always enjoyed an iron fisted monopoly on the manner in which music has been distributed. With the new technologies that the internet affords, the RIAA is faced with having to adapt and change and meet their customers demands (just like everyone else in business) but they found it inconvenient to do that. Instead, they bought off a few politicians to pass laws to outlaw the technologies that threaten the RIAAs obsolete business model. If you missed that particularly glaring fact then there is no sense in continuing this discussion with you.
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| said by major marco:
said by pianotech:
Do you work for money or for free? If you work for money, would you consider working for free? If not, why not?
Don't confuse the issues. This is not about expecting you or anyone else for that matter to work for free. And if anything, if you check the facts instead of reading RIAA propaganda, even at the heighth of Napster, the music business was booming. File trading enhanced sales, not detracted from it. But don't take my word for it, go to any independently commissed report on read the facts.
How many times do you have to read that I'm not now, nor was I ever, affiliated with a label? I was never ripped off by the RIAA because I've never been under contract with them. I'm supposed to be happy that instead of the RIAA ripping me off, the consumer does it? How does that change anything related to me?
You are failing to make the distinction between label-affiliated artists and unsigned, independent ones who have bills to pay, same as you. Doesn't matter if the RIAA rips me off or if you do, in the end I'm still the one ripped off. And I experienced it first hand in finding my music on Napster and AudioGalaxy.
If you lump independent artists with the labels, and consider all of us as RIAA shills simply because we are musicians, then indeed, there is no sense in continuing this discussion with you.
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Re: "How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA" "
Do I have the right to be able to control the distribution of my work, or does that make me a monopolist?
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Well YES If I have to buy the whole cd just to get the one or two tunes that were not just filler. Gotta love my way or the highway .
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pianotechPianotechPremium
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Do I have the right to be able to control the distribution of my work, or does that make me a monopolist?
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Well YES If I have to buy the whole cd just to get the one or two tunes that were not just filler. Gotta love my way or the highway .
Have a nice life
Fair enough, I agree. What if you could just buy the songs you wanted? Like the iTunes model, for instance?
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Re: Don't Confuse Issues said by pianotech:
If you lump independent artists with the labels, and consider all of us as RIAA shills simply because we are musicians, then indeed, there is no sense in continuing this discussion with you.
You should be jumping for joy that your music is on P2P. That means you've got name brand recognition and aren't stuck in the backwaters of musical oblivion. You're popular.
You know it's funny, I don't know many people in home grown bands who wouldn't be overjoyed to find their music online, but you OTOH, me thinks thou doth protest too much. You don't pass the smell test.
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Understood. Was just alarming to see it happening, is all. I know not all of those represented lost sales, but it's probably safe to say some of them did.
The whole issue is a complex thing without an easy, cut-and-dried answer.
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Re: "How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA" Or everyone could just start sharing photos of family and friends with file names *close to copyrighted names. If everyone did this then the RIAA would be swamped with so much bs they would never be able to figure out what was really a copyrighted work and what was just the photos of the 'Sublime' day we had in the park. Or even if you were really industrious you could write a several page paper about your favorite band and put it up for the world to download.
*Edit due to poor public school education.
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Re: Don't Confuse Issues said by pianotech:
How many times do you have to read that I'm not now, nor was I ever, affiliated with a label? I was never ripped off by the RIAA because I've never been under contract with them. I'm supposed to be happy that instead of the RIAA ripping me off, the consumer does it? How does that change anything related to me?
Give it up. I've rattled sabers with "minor marco" before, he doesn't read. Doesn't matter how many times you say you're not on a contract with an RIAA label, that you hate the RIAA at least as much as the rest of us (and probably with better reasons), it happens to be convenient for him to paint you as such, so no amount of fact or logical reasoning will make a difference.
Hint: if you consider an insult in light of its source, it almost becomes a compliment.
It reminds me of an old Jimmy Durante song: "Oh I'll never forget the day I read a book!"
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Re: "How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA" Sorry Rash. Don't think that will work. The RIAA are pretty much looking for mp3 files and not text or image files. Their searches are likely limited to things with the .mp3 extension and will ignore all the .jpg, .gif, .bmp, .pst, .tif, .pdf, .doc, .txt, and other extensions. People have been talking about changing the names of mp3 files to mix up the RIAA. I just think playing all those cat and mouse games aren't worth the trouble.
If the RIAA catches you take them to court on it. Don't give in to their "settlement" offers. Counter-sue them even. Read up on copyright law. The RIAA keeps leaving out little bits of the law in their propaganda. If you have a savvy enough music lawyer (and I do recommend getting a music lawyer) I bet the RIAA will end up paying YOU a settlement.
Remember people. The RIAA's tactics are based on FUD. There is a reason why no individual has actually been sued.
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Re: Don't Confuse Issues said by pianotech:
Major,
Understood. Was just alarming to see it happening, is all. I know not all of those represented lost sales, but it's probably safe to say some of them did.
The whole issue is a complex thing without an easy, cut-and-dried answer.
Agreed, there is no cut-and-dry answer. But let me ask you this:
How much in NEW sales did you get from filesharing because someone took a chance to download your music and liked it, so they became a FAN and went and bought your stuff? You don't know (neither do I), and conversely you don't know how much you lost. But suffice it to say, there is some of both. The question is, which is greater?
I personally would like to see an online source of a LARGE catalog of music where I could get the songs I wanted (and ONLY the songs I wanted) and not have my fair use rights trampled on when I paid a FAIR price for the song. After all, I can listen to a CD in my home, car, portable, or computer, why should I only be able to listen to a download on my computer?
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RIAA apologizes to Penn State said by SRFireside:
The RIAA are pretty much looking for mp3 files and not text or image files. Their searches are likely limited to things with the .mp3 extension and will ignore all the .jpg, .gif, .bmp, .pst, .tif, .pdf, .doc, .txt, and other extensions. People have been talking about changing the names of mp3 files to mix up the RIAA. I just think playing all those cat and mouse games aren't worth the trouble.
Not true as evidenced by the following discussion on politech. Back in May when the RIAA was handing out subpoenas to universities like candy, they made a boo boo with a PSU professor named "Usher."
»www.politechbot.com/p-04747.html
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