Palestinian P2P > Someone has to say it

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Re: Someone has to say it

Said by: Archivis
"Supporting the RIAA means supporting more money for rich people. Statisticly, the percentage of rich people who buy and use drugs are more of that then of middle or lower class people."

Utter nonsense. Don't know WHERE you got your "statistics", but I bet YOU and the statistician were both smoking crack when you came up with them!

"By using P2P applications you are doing your part to help bring terrorism to its knees."

Simply more nonsense! There ARE legal uses for P2P. There are also ILLEGAL uses for P2P. One of the ILLEGAL ones is downloading copyrighted material.

And it amuses me to no end to read all the stupid rationalizations posted here by the law breakers and criminals who break the law by down loading material which have been copyrighted!

It is really simple folks! An artist records a song or makes a movie or writes a book and is issued the copy right for it. He/she then SELLS that copy right to some one, be it the RIAA, a movie studio, or whom ever. The entity who buys the copy right then has an EXCLUSIVE right to sell, distribute, or give away that material UNDER WHAT EVER TERMS AND CONDITIONS THEY SO CHOOSE!

If you violate those terms and conditions you are a criminal! Period. It doesn't matter if you agree with them. It doesn't matter if you think they are charging too much! It doesn't matter if you believe the copy right laws are archaic or immoral or should be done away with. It doesn't matter if they are filthy rich!

So I say to ALL you criminals out there who have been violating the law because you mistakenly believe YOU have the right to decide which laws you will or won't obey....If they bust your ass and throw you in jail and throw away the key, you deserve all that you get!

I don't like the RIAA any more than anyone else. But I register my protest by NOT BUYING THEIR DAMN CD'S! And if I simply MUST listen to a particular piece of music I purchase it legally! But there is simply not much music out there now WORTH buying!

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... and criminals who break the law ...

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It is really simple folks! An artist records a song or makes a movie or writes a book and is issued the copy right for it.p

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He/she then SELLS that copy right to some one, be it the RIAA, a movie studio, or whom ever.

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[QUOTE= I SAID IT]If you violate those terms and conditions you are a criminal!

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So I say to ALL you criminals out there who have been violating the law because you mistakenly believe YOU have the right to decide which laws you will or won't obey....If they bust your ass and throw you in jail and throw away the key, you deserve all that you get!

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I register my protest by NOT BUYING THEIR DAMN CD'S!

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reply to I SAID IT
No its not simple folks:

AS PER COURTNEY (and yes I know she is sometimes insane, this is the most coherrent thing I think she has ever stated).

ARTIST RIGHTS AND RECORD COMPANIES

Dear Fellow Recording Artists,

I'm writing to ask you to join the chorus of recording artists who want us all to get a fair deal from the record companies. R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, U2, Alanis Morrissette, Bush, Prince and Q-Tip have called me with their support and we need your participation as well.

There are 3 basic facts to all recording artists should know:

1. No one has ever represented the rights and interests of recording artists AS A GROUP in negotiations with record companies.

2. Recording artists don't have access to quality health care and pension plans like the ones made available to actors and athletes through their unions.

3. Recording artists are paid royalties that represent a tiny fraction of the money their work earns.

As I was working with my manager and my new attorneys on my lawsuit with the Universal Music Group, we realized that the most unfair clauses in my contract applied to ALL recording artists. Most importantly, no one was representing artists in an attempt to change the system.

Recording artists need to form a new organization that will represent their interests in Washington and negotiate fair contract terms with record companies. Here's what you should know:

THERE IS NO ONE WHO REPRESENTS RECORDING ARTISTS

Recording artists don't have a single union that looks out for their interests. AFTRA (American Federation of Television and Radio Artists) has a contract with major labels for vocalists and the AFM (American Federation of Musicians) has a contract for non-singing musicians and session players. If you're in a band, your singer is represented by a different union (AFTRA) than the rest of your group (who are represented by the AFM). AFTRA negotiates contracts for TV and Radio performers. They don't pay very much attention to the recording business; it's not their priority. The AFM acts like band members are sidemen and session players because that's mostly who the union represents.

Record companies like this system because neither union represents all artists. AFTRA and AFM only negotiate session fees and other minor issues for the singers or the "sidemen." Who looks after our interests in Washington? Until very recently, Congress believed that the RIAA spoke for recording artists. The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) is a trade group that is paid for by record companies to represent their interests. The Napster hearings last summer and a few other issues have let Washington know that NO ONE speaks for recording artists right now. We have their attention and must act quickly to make sure artists have a voice.

RECORDING ARTISTS DON'T HAVE A SAFETY NET

Compare yourself to actors and baseball players. Like the music business, the film and the sports industries generate billions of dollars in income each year, but those industries offer far better benefits to the men and women who create their wealth. The Screen Actors Guild offers a fantastic health care plan to its members. That health plan is paid for by the contracts that SAG has negotiated with film studios. The baseball player's union has negotiated a pension plan that ensures that NO major league player ever finds himself without an income. Why shouldn't recording artists get the same benefits?

RECORDING ARTISTS DON'T GET PAID

Record companies have a 5% success rate. That means that 5% of all records released by major labels go gold or platinum. How do record companies get away with a 95% failure rate that would be totally unacceptable in any other business? Record companies keep almost all the profits. Recording artists get paid a tiny fraction of the money earned by their music. That allows record executives to be incredibly sloppy in running their companies and still create enormous amounts of cash for the corporations that own them.

The royalty rates granted in every recording contract are very low to start with and then companies charge back every conceivable cost to an artist's royalty account. Artists pay for recording costs, video production costs, tour support, radio promotion, sales and marketing costs, packaging costs and any other cost the record company can subtract from their royalties. Record companies also reduce royalties by "forgetting" to report sales figure, miscalculating royalties and by preventing artists from auditing record company books.

Recording contracts are unfair and a single artist negotiating an individual deal doesn't have the leverage to change the system. Artists will finally get paid what they deserve when they band together and force the recording industry to negotiate with them AS A GROUP.

Thousands of successful artists who sold hundreds of millions of records and generated billions of dollars in profits for record companies find themselves broke and forgotten by the industry they made wealthy.

Here a just a few examples of what we're talking about:

Multiplatinum artists like TLC ("Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg," "Waterfalls" and "No Scrubs") and Toni Braxton ("Unbreak My Heart" and "Breathe Again") have been forced to declare bankruptcy because their recording contracts didn't pay them enough to survive.

Corrupt recording agreements forced the heirs of Jimi Hendrix ("Purple Haze," "All Along the Watchtower" and "Stone Free") to work menial jobs while his catalog generated millions of dollars each year for Universal Music.

Florence Ballard from the Supremes ("Where Did Our Love Go," "Stop in the Name of Love" and "You Keep Me Hangin' On" are just 3 of the 10 #1 hits she sang on) was on welfare when she died.

Collective Soul earned almost no money from "Shine," one of the biggest alternative rock hits of the 90s when Atlantic paid almost all of their royalties to an outside production company.

Merle Haggard ("I Threw Away the Rose," "Sing Me Back Home" and "Today I Started Loving You Again") enjoyed a string of 37 top-ten country singles (including 23 #1 hits) in the 60s and 70s. Yet he never received a record royalty check until last year when he released an album on the indie punk-rock label Epitaph.

Think of it this way: recording artists are often the writers, directors and producers of their own records. They write the songs, choose the producers and engineers who record their music, hire and oversee the photographers and designers who create their CD artwork and oversee all parts of video production, from concept to director to final edit. Record companies advance money for recording costs and provide limited marketing services for the music that artists conceive and create. In exchange, they keep almost all of the money and 100% of the copyrights.

Even the most successful recording artists in history (The Beatles, The Eagles, Nirvana, Eminem) have been paid a fraction of the money they deserved from sales of their records. This is a very big and very important project and we're in the early days.

Here's what we're looking for:

1. Artists who are willing to speak to the media to publicly lend their support to the idea that recording artists need an organization that represents our interests in Washington and with the record companies. We also would like you tell your managers and attorneys that you support this cause and that you expect them, as your representatives and employees to do the same.

2. Anyone who can tell us specific stories about how artists have been ripped off by record companies like the ones I told above.

We're going to have to educate the public and the media and Congress and the only way we'll do that is by giving them examples they can relate to. NOW is the time for action. Artists like Garbage and N*SYNC have have joined me in questioning bad contracts and have also gone to court to change the system.

Record companies have merged and re-merged to the point where they can no longer relate to their artists. Digital distribution will change the music industry forever; artists must make sure they finally get their fair share of the money their music earns. We need to come together quickly and present a united front to the industry.

Your managers and attorneys will probably tell you not to rock the boat and not to risk your "relationship" with your record company by taking a stand. Most attorneys and managers are conflicted. Almost all entertainment law firms represent both artists and record companies. Lawyers can't take a stand against record companies because that's where they get most of their business. Even the best managers often have business relationships with labels and depend on record companies to refer new clients.

Think about Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam's stand against TicketMaster. Everyone knew he was right and yet no other artist took a public stand against a company that we all knew was hurting our business because our managers and attorneys told us it would be a bad idea.

Attorneys and managers are your employees. Make sure they know how you feel and that you want them to publicly support the idea that the terms of recording contracts are unfair and cover too long a time period. You also want them to support an organization that will negotiate health and pension benefits for all recording artists.

Artists have all the power. They create the music that makes the money that funds the business. No one has ever harnessed that power for artists' collective good. And remember something equally important: Actors had to fight to end the studio system that forced actors to work for one employer and baseball players had to strike to end the reserve clause that tied a player to one team for his entire career. Even though "experts" predicted economic disaster once actors and athletes gained their freedom, both the film business and baseball have enjoyed their greatest financial success once their talent was given its freedom.

Join us now in taking a public stand. Your name will help get the attention that artists rights deserve. If you're willing to speak to the media or testify before Congress, you can help make our goals a reality.

Do it for yourself, for your children and do it for the artists who inspired you to make music in the first place.

Well thats a summary of the deal you get with the riaa.

Now here is my take:

FUCK the RIAA. They are not doing you any service, and they are not helping artists. If you are downloading songs, believe me you are not hurting the Artist, you are hurting the RIAA. And thats a good thing.

They should be done and over. Artists will realize this and do the following:

Artists should PERFORM to make money. Plain Simple. They record a work, they give it away FREE. AOL and the net has taught us that this is AN ADVERTISEMENT: Then the artist goes to work PLAYING thier music. PERIOD.

My favorite bands work this way, giving out a studio work, then charging me to be part of the show. I work 40 hours a week, why shouldnt they?

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Artists should PERFORM to make money. Plain Simple. They record a work, they give it away FREE. AOL and the net has taught us that this is AN ADVERTISEMENT: Then the artist goes to work PLAYING thier music. PERIOD.

My favorite bands work this way, giving out a studio work, then charging me to be part of the show. I work 40 hours a week, why shouldnt they?

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said by ravital:

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said by WestyVW:

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Artists should PERFORM to make money. Plain Simple. They record a work, they give it away FREE. AOL and the net has taught us that this is AN ADVERTISEMENT: Then the artist goes to work PLAYING thier music. PERIOD.

My favorite bands work this way, giving out a studio work, then charging me to be part of the show. I work 40 hours a week, why shouldnt they?

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And engineers should give away their inventions free, and spend 40 hours a week in their labs for a living. PERIOD.

Sure, great logic, works for me.

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said by garagerock:

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La la la la...nothing changing...the world is the same as it was in 1956...
If you can't grasp that simple concept, then get out of the way of progress. It won't be long before the whole thing is changed for the betterment of everyone.

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