| Does no one else have a problem with this? said by Article:
...the FBI has already been working closely with hardware manufacturers to make their products "surveillance friendly". Companies like MetaSwitch have been working with the FBI...
Translation: Hacker friendly.
What a great idea, lets punch a hole in router security to allow anyone to listen in. Carnivore isn't enough?
I have a REAL problem with this. I rely on Cisco and other router manufacturers to act in MY best interest, to have the number one goal of protection MY data. Not to appease the idiots at the FBI who are not willing ot sort through the complete packet captures Carnavore gives them just to hear the local drug dealer's call to his mom.
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| You know, I was thinking "so what if FBI wants an ability to listen in on calls that they legally got a soupena for (however you spell that)."
Then you bring this up...
very very good point...
Case in point, the Bells are very 'loose' on people using the phone system illegally. Freakers, as those who hack the phone system, call themselves use multiple means.
My parents were recently a part of a tiny scam. They recieved a call from their phone company (MCI, yah... I know they are already under investigation), asking if they would accept the charges for an "Adriana". Well it was close enough to a name within the family, and being as my parents were half awake, they accepted, and the phone hung up.
They had just been a victem of 3rd party charging. A retarded insecure POS allowed by the phone company.
To make the story better...
Same call, next night. Parents more alert, asked the operator, where is it comming from they ask. First response "I cant tell you that", er what? My parents say, the hell you cant, we are paying for it. So they say "Phone booth in..." a town they live next to...
Ok, wheres it going to "I cant tell you that"... ER WHAT? Again my parents stated the fact they are paying for it and they are calling the police after this. So the phone company says some where in California. Not specific at all.
Then my parents state, I want to speak to a supervisor, then click...
o_O Im really wanting the # they called... because, well I wont go into what Im going to do.
Anyways, I guess, regardless of what they do, there is always a way.
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I'm less concerned that the FBI wants to "able" to tap in. Its not like they would know what to do with the data anyway. However my big fear here is when states see this as the next BIG cash cow which by the look of it MN is already there. Its going to drive the cost up to the point where we are with the ILEC's. We all know that the ILEC's don't want VOIP around and I don't really think that Vonage and P8 really have that many lines even compared to even a small phone company but I think what their most scared of is if VOIP really takes off then they are going to need to replace their current PSTN setup. That will cost a massive amount of money and lost ROI. Then again the good side of them having to replace that side of their network is it would create more jobs, actually it would create a ton of jobs.
So we have the Gov and states wanting to cash in. And you have the bells wanting not to "change" like thats anything new.
If MN wins then I think we can pretty much bet that the cost of VOIP will go sky high, and the compianes that have built VOIP networks will end up in the red.
Note to goverment - VOIP is to young for you to cash in. Give it 5 or so years.
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Honolulu, HI | reply to bigbeartech
If the phone company wants to legally collect from your parents they must list the number of the party that requested your parents to accept the charges. You may then legally pursue this now known party in SMALL claims court, unless it is over a specified dollar amount. If it is a Interstate call then you may also submit a request to the FCC or state PUC office to investigate further for you since your parents pay the PUC fees to the State and Federal government monthly. I would pursue this just to get the FCC, FTC, and State regulatory agencies off their hands or was that rectums, either way use these agencies. They have about 20 or 30 fraud teams of investigators at each level. If you do not use it expect the scam to continue. Once the phone company has to go to court for these third party scams they will remove this and like type services to eliminate the cost of having to maintain a large legal staff IMHO.
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