 oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | Yeah great...pay the price for the software And get a letter from your ISP (eg Cox) for violating daily DL restrictions.
Unless it's 1/2 price or something...I'm just going to continue getting it at the store (and benefit from owning the actual media).
This is just Fileplanet with less titles.
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Huntington Beach, CA | It's not a "Fileplanet with less titles.", it'll be a content delivery application that will also try to thwart cheaters/hackers from manipulating key .dll files since files will be redownloaded from servers every so often to make sure they are in fact genuine.
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oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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Corona, CA | No, it's a new money-tree...Fileplanet with less titles. |
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 Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | You can either buy the title at the store or purchase the game for dl over steam. Either way steam will be free for you to use to update those titles you purchase, or to play mp.
Or you can subscribe for x amount of dollars per month and have access to all the games in valves library, until you stop paying.
How is that anything like fileplanet.
Content delivery systems are the future, weather you like it or not. You can either embrace them or let the rest of the world pass you by.
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oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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| Content delivery systems AREN'T the future. They have failed miserably EVERYTIME they're tried.
Show me a successful content delivery system. Gigex? LOL.
It's the same thing as Fileplanet and Gamespy...pay for older software (I've tried Steam 2.0...there are no newer titles) and updates you would otherwise get for free. Oh...you want free updates...with popularity you will have to get in the 40 minute line behind the paying customers (just like Fileplanet). You want to find and open server? Be prepared to be barraged with ads (just like Gamespy). Gamespy started out like Steam...small, simple...now look at it...FULL of annoying and intrusive ad content. Even now...there seems to be some free game content...that's how these services start to attract users but soon resort to pay to play or make part of their "premium" services content that used to be free.
Valve doesn't have a large enough library to make this hugely successful...especially if they expect to actually get money for this nonsense. They aren't Activision. Sure they have 2 popular games (HL and CS)...but you can't build a pay to play service around 2 games.
People have been touting content delivery forever...just like online music services. Both have failed time and time again.
This latest incarnation of Steam is no different. Think about it...where's Steam 1.0 of content delivery was so bitchen?
The ONLY way content delivery will work is if the content is reliable (my Steam 2.0 TFC download failed to install Fatal error 108), ISPs don't enforce daily DL caps and it's CHEAP...WAY CHEAP and so far there are no publishers (including Valve) willing to go that route. They try to sell this garbage based on convenience...but that's not what people are looking for. Steam 2.0 may serve Valve well if they continue putting their classic titles up for free and run it ad supported, promoting their newest titles (eg Real Arcade).
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Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | Just because it hasn't been successful yet doesn't mean it won't ever be. And to totally dismiss it puts you in the same boat as my grandmother who constantly sends me AARP articles describing the evils of that newfangled internet (that ironically give email addresses to comment on the article).
As for charging for patches and such; when did you start playing halflife. Do you remember what the first version (particularly with respect to mp) of half-life was like You do realize how much free stuff they gave out, and how many things they could have charged for but didn't. If they were honestly out to screw people, when CS went retail they would have made it so you had to go out and purchase it retail in order to continue playing it.
They've proven themselves in the past; if anyone is can do content delivery right Valve will.
As for FilePlanet: you can bitch and moan about what they did in implementing ad's and a subscription service; but what it comes down to is the fact that most of the sites that didn't implement similar things are no longer around. You don't have much of a right to complain about a service that's free. (and don't point out patches that you can't download from the manufacturers site, you're issue in this case is with the manufacturer and not FilePlanet).
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oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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| And to claim that anyone who doesn't jump of the bandwagon of content delivery is the end all be all is no better than early adopters of Beta, DAT and Minidisc.
BTW, the Steam content isn't hosted by Valve, it's provided by NVIDIA.
A lot of publishers just point to Fileplanet or similar (wait in line sites) for their patches/updates...INCLUDING VALVE.
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Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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And to claim that anyone who doesn't jump of the bandwagon of content delivery is the end all be all...
When was the last time you saw the postal service use stage coaches to deliver mail. They don't because there's a more efficient way.
Content delivery is much more efficient method of delivering digital media because it cuts out many pieces of the supply chain that don't need to be there (printers, publishers, distributer); pieces that, by the way, make it impossible for small developers to market a game.
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...is no better than early adopters of Beta, DAT and Minidisc.
All three of which were successful... in the pro audio/video sectors, simply because they were better at doing what they were supposed to do.
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BTW, the Steam content isn't hosted by Valve, it's provided by NVIDIA.
So, why does that matter? I'm sure some of it comes from speakeasy's servers as well.
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A lot of publishers just point to Fileplanet or similar (wait in line sites) for their patches/updates...INCLUDING VALVE.
Yes, this is a bad business practice but that would be vivendi/universal (Sierra's) decision. They're the ones responsible for distributing HL patches, valve probably doesn't have much of a say. And again your beef isn't with FilePlanet, it's with vivendi/universal. Ironically this content delivery thing your so scared of is an attempt to bypass VU, who I suspect may not be on the best of terms with Valve at this point.
And finally. If you don't want to use steam, don't buy HL2 and don't patch HL anymore; if enough people do this it'll be a miserable failure and Steam will disappear forever.
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said by Jaime:
It's not a "Fileplanet with less titles.", it'll be a content delivery application that will also try to thwart cheaters/hackers from manipulating key .dll files since files will be redownloaded from servers every so often to make sure they are in fact genuine.
AHAHAHAHAH!!! then you didnt play beta 1.6 for CS using the Steam beta!!! had even more hacks than the current 1.5! and they were much worse!!! you could kill the entire other team from spawn with the 1.6 hacks rofl...
Valve is stupid if they think im going to pay per month to play a game...
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Huntington Beach, CA | said by FLECOM:
said by Jaime:
It's not a "Fileplanet with less titles.", it'll be a content delivery application that will also try to thwart cheaters/hackers from manipulating key .dll files since files will be redownloaded from servers every so often to make sure they are in fact genuine.
AHAHAHAHAH!!! then you didnt play beta 1.6 for CS using the Steam beta!!! had even more hacks than the current 1.5! and they were much worse!!! you could kill the entire other team from spawn with the 1.6 hacks rofl...
Valve is stupid if they think im going to pay per month to play a game...
the only people that pay for a game per month are the crazy obsessive people that play everquest etc...
Please read my comments more carefully. And I have played 1.6 since the day it came out.
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