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 oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | reply to KrK
Re: Thanks for the support Why aren't all you anti-Iraq types bitching about WWII and Korea costs? We're STILL in Germany and Japan. We're STILL in South Korea. Vietnam cost 12% of the U.S. economy while the war in Iraq is costing less than .5% of the U.S. economy.
Just more of the same liberal hypocrisy. Why don't we cut welfare expenditures by $170 billion to pay for it? Hell this new medicare prescription program is planned to cost $470 billion (and we all know the estimates for any entitlement are FAR below actual costs) alone.
Liberals seem to have no problem blowing BILLIONS on EVERYTHING EXCEPT national security interests.
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| "Why aren't all you anti-Iraq types bitching about WWII and Korea costs? We're STILL in Germany and Japan. We're STILL in South Korea."
LOTS of us bitch about those things. South Korea is a rich nation fully capable of defending itself. They don't even like America. The S. Korean president ran on an anti-American platform. They're far more afraid of Bush than of the N. Korean dictator.
"Liberals seem to have no problem blowing BILLIONS on EVERYTHING EXCEPT national security interests."
The Iraq war has nothing to do with national security - at least, not the security of *this* nation. | |
 PoopsmithThat's Mr. Smith To You.
join:2003-03-12
Boulder, CO | reply to oliphant5
said by oliphant5:
Hell this new medicare prescription program is planned to cost $470 billion (and we all know the estimates for any entitlement are FAR below actual costs) alone.
Great idea! Since my tax dollars are going into something I will never see(medicare won't be around when I can get it) let's just put it into FTTH. Sorry to the senior community, but what goes around comes around. You want my money? Tough! I also want my money... to be spent in something that benefits me.
"What's that you say, old timer? You don't have any use for FTTH? Well, I have no use for medicare."
said by oliphant5:
Just more of the same liberal hypocrisy.
You are only looking at it in terms of economy. The liberals are mad because more and more soldiers are killed each day despite the fact that we have
1. Not captured Saddaam
2. Not found any "weapons of mass destruction" (the whole point of the war)
As far as national security is concerned, North Korea is more of a threat than Iraq, so why aren't we moving more troops there? Let France deal with Iraq  Then the whole world will know what a bunch of screw-ups they truly are.
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| quote:
Great idea! Since my tax dollars are going into something I will never see(medicare won't be around when I can get it) let's just put it into FTTH. Sorry to the senior community, but what goes around comes around. You want my money? Tough! I also want my money... to be spent in something that benefits me.
"What's that you say, old timer? You don't have any use for FTTH? Well, I have no use for medicare."
Instead of getting back at old timers for screwing you with medicare by screwing them with FTTH, why don't you vote so that we can all spend our own money on what we want? Old Timers can spend it on Medicare and Techies can spend it on FTTH. | | |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
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said by oliphant5:
Why aren't all you anti-Iraq types bitching about WWII and Korea costs? Liberals seem to have no problem blowing BILLIONS on EVERYTHING EXCEPT national security interests.
Yeah, join in, more "liberal" bashing, all the rage these days, right? Label everyone a liberal then attack.... Why did we go to war in Iraq? National Security, you say? BS. War on Terror? Whatever. Neither. Because they were weak, and an easy target for attack. Just because you believe George W. can do no wrong, don't attack everyone else for not buying the trumped up charges. As already said, we're there now, and we're gonna pay, the question is how much and for how long.
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oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Yeah you're right. We should have taken the Clintonista approach...do nothing, let terrorism flourish and watch Americans die by the thousands around the world in WTC bombings, embassy bombings, barracks bombings, and U.S.S. Cole style bombings.
It would be just great to permit the spread of biological and radiological weapons...that would just thrill the liberals. Hell you must be overly glad to see what Clinton's "deal" with North Korea got us. Sure, he gave them billions but they won't develop nukes.
Liberals were all for going into Somalia, Bosnia (without UN approval I might add)...but no way, no freeing of millions of Arabs oppressed by a madman like Saddam. Women and girls being able to attend schools for the first time in years in Afganistan doesn't matter to you bleeding hearts.
It's just amazing to watch liberal hypocrisy in action.
And no, I don't agree with GW...I don't wear blinders like you Bush haters do. IMHO Bush is a hypocrite when it comes to Isreal. He should slam the door on trade with China until they address their human rights issues. He shouldn't have pushed the "farm bill". There are plenty of faults I find with this President, just as I found many things good about Clinton. I'm also watching the Democratic debates for a possible Bush alternative (like Leiberman) if Bush doesn't take care of some issues I think are major like border security especially as it pertains to California and over taxation of small business. I'm also glad to see Congress cutting off his dumbass overtime rules scheme. And I break with traditional conservatism when it comes to corporate "freedoms". I rail against anti-competitive practices of the telcos, cable operators and the RIAA all the time. I also rail against so-called "free trade" bullcrap. But when it comes to voting I'm never going to be 100% satisfied, but if it's a choice between a Democrat agreeing with 35% of what I believe in and a Republican agreeing with 65% of what I believe in...the Republican will get my vote.
I take one issue at a time, look at all the facts and form an opinion about the situation. You on the other hand take everything from the Bush sucks perspective...it's pretty sad actually. In order for "your side" to win, America must lose. In order for "your side" to win the economy can't grow the stock markets must tank. In order for "your side" to win, we must fail in Iraq. In order for "your side" to win there must be disaster in the Koreas. In order for "your side" to win, people must be dying in the streets. It's always about "how Bush sucks"...never their OWN ideas on how to solve the problems of worldwide terrorism, national security, corporate corruption, over taxation, failure for the government to serve the best interests of OUR nation for a change. Nope, only that whatever Bush does is wrong...before even reading past the first sentence.
But to debate politics in a forum filled with "powered by parents" types who haven't the life experience nor knowledge of history to have an opinion other than the ones their beard scratching do-nothing liberal professors programmed them with is pointless...so LPFM here.
BTW...the first (of what I'm sure will be many) Enron execs (Ben Glisan) is heading for a five year federal prison term. Ten more execs are facing trial. So much for the Bush and Enron B.S. If Bush was supposed to have "helped" Enron (like Clinton did with the billions in loans and special gov't projects)...well with a friend like Bush, Enron certainly didn't need any enemies.
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 JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | Oh. I see oliphant has been suffering from more diarrhea of the fingers again. Just leave him be with his plastic sheets and his duct tape.
How 'about that scum Whitacre eh? | |
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"Liberals were all for going into Somalia, Bosnia (without UN approval I might add)...but no way, no freeing of millions of Arabs oppressed by a madman like Saddam."
Funny how the Arabs hate us now more than ever. They were cheering for Saddam. "They love freedom as much as we do" is another one of Bush's (and Blair's) lies. Arabs regard freedom as a Jewish plot to weaken them. | |
oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | said by Agent 86:
"Liberals were all for going into Somalia, Bosnia (without UN approval I might add)...but no way, no freeing of millions of Arabs oppressed by a madman like Saddam."
Funny how the Arabs hate us now more than ever. They were cheering for Saddam. "They love freedom as much as we do" is another one of Bush's (and Blair's) lies. Arabs regard freedom as a Jewish plot to weaken them.
Sure...the ones programmed by Al Jazeera were...but not the majority of Iraqi citizens who lived under the evils of Saddam.
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oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to JakCrow
said by JakCrow:
Oh. I see oliphant has been suffering from more diarrhea of the fingers again. Just leave him be with his plastic sheets and his duct tape.
How 'about that scum Whitacre eh?
Don't like a post, use the "Hey Mods" button.
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[text was edited by author 2003-09-11 00:14:33] | |
npyoung
join:2002-09-23
Jacksonville, OR | reply to Agent 86
One other thing we might all keep in mind is that China was enemy #1 before 9/11 conveniently came along. Remember the P3-Orion forced down on China's coast? Remember all the talk about China being the Next Big Threat? Or have we forgotten this? This admistratation came into office looking for a foreign boogeyman to get people's minds off the fact that their hopes and dreams were disapearing in front of their eyes; as the economy and the market melted down. The Bush adminstration has made no bones about it carrying the water for the defense firms and oil oliarchy. Notice after we've knocked off the worlds biggest gas station that your price at the pump is going down? So much for any benefit from our 1/2 TRILLION in THIS YEARS deficit spending from our let-the-rich off the hook and spend like there's no tommorow government. As noted, we don't even get FTTH, or hey, how about some investment in the power infrastructure here instead of Iraq! No, all we're going to get is a eventual currency meltdown and much, much higher taxes on us working folks for many moons to come to pay for all this incredibly irresponsible spending. Remember, empires have historically gone down not because of defeat on the battleground, but because of economic reasons. So it will be with us. | |
| "No, all we're going to get is a eventual currency meltdown and much, much higher taxes on us working folks for many moons to come to pay for all this incredibly irresponsible spending. Remember, empires have historically gone down not because of defeat on the battleground, but because of economic reasons. So it will be with us."
Yes. It's an odd sort of victory when the victorious nation is the one that gets plundered. Any more great victories and we'll be bankrupt. | |
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said by oliphant5:
Hell you must be overly glad to see what Clinton's "deal" with North Korea got us. Sure, he gave them billions but they won't develop nukes.
Actually we (the US, under both Clinton and Bush) never delivered on those promises. 7 years after the deal was made ground had not been broken, plans had not been made for the safe reactors we were supposed to build them. So since we didn't keep our side of the bargain we cant be too surprised they didn't keep their side either.
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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said by oliphant5:
Yeah you're right. We should have taken the Clintonista approach...do nothing, let terrorism flourish and watch Americans die by the thousands around the world in WTC bombings, embassy bombings, barracks bombings, and U.S.S. Cole style bombings.
Um. That's not exactly what was happening, but it does sound good from those on the Right who have an axe to grind. Let's not forget Bush did squat either UNTIL 9/11, despite the same kind of warnings and intel Clinton had. It's easy POST 9/11 to say "Damn, we didn't do anything" but you have to take things in context at the time. Would the President Clinton or Bush been able to convince anyone, (Other countries, or even we Americans), to go to war with Afganistan prior to 9/11? I seriously doubt it.
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It would be just great to permit the spread of biological and radiological weapons...that would just thrill the liberals.
See, this is just ranting. You're allowing your lack of objectivity to show again. Liberals want everyone to have WMD's. Um... sure. quote:
Liberals were all for going into Somalia, Bosnia (without UN approval I might add)...
These are blanket assumptions you project as the "Liberals" positions... in fact there were plenty of people, both Liberal and Conservative, that weren't fans of Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti, etc. However that didn't stop Bush Snr or Clinton... and it won't stop Bush Jnr now. quote:
but no way, no freeing of millions of Arabs oppressed by a madman like Saddam. Women and girls being able to attend schools for the first time in years in Afganistan doesn't matter to you bleeding hearts.
It's just amazing to watch liberal hypocrisy in action.
Uh, who's showing hypocrisy here? I haven't seen anyone of either camp proclaiming their love and support for Sadamm or the Taliban. I did see dissention on methods for dealing with Iraq, and on the need for a WAR, especially given the weak rationale and evidence being offered showing Iraq was an immediate threat. I don't remember hardly anyone (even nutjobs!) who were opposed to taking down the Taliban, other then hardcore islamics. quote:
And no, I don't agree with GW...I don't wear blinders like you Bush haters do.
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I take one issue at a time, look at all the facts and form an opinion about the situation. You on the other hand take everything from the Bush sucks perspective...
This is too funny. "I am fair and balanced, while you are completely biased. I base everything off of facts, you base it off emotions". SUURE. You're doing the opposite, allowing a belief system of strong support for Republicans (or maybe just your anger at Democrats in California?) to cloud your opinion of his actions, you post these posts defending and supporting him, while bashing detractors and claiming they are biased.
I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I look at Bush's performance, on domestic policy, on international policy, on what he says, does, pushes for, demands, gets, etc and I don't like a lot of them... just for examples, Patriot Act and expansions, economic policy, who gets his tax cuts, running the deficeit far into the red, International diplomacy (or lack thereof!), Energy policy, Trade, immigration, War on Terror, Dept. of Homeland security sweeping expanses in Federal power, Tarrifs, Farm Bill, bankruptcy "reform", this new issue to "Reform Overtime Pay" etc etc so, pardon me if I am not in support of the man for pushing things I don't agree with! That's my opinion, I base it on his performance, and you shouldn't just assume "He's a Bush hater!".
Before you go attacking other people's opinions as invalid or biased or whatever, remember it reflects back on you too.
Ok, now, that was a nice political sidetrack, maybe we can go back to the fiber issue now 
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