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Mount Airy, MD | Go Figure... I wouldn't expect anything less from some government-operated, taxpayer/ratepayer subsidized racket. At least if a private company did this, you would always have the choice of canceling your accounts with them.
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Corona, CA | Racket...yeah, it's sure hell to offer more products at better prices. If anyone has the racket it's the competitors who got the no-compete clause into the law.
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Racket...yeah, it's sure hell to offer more products at better prices. If anyone has the racket it's the competitors who got the no-compete clause into the law.
Exactly.
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Where are the MBB shills? If this were an article about the ILEC's cooking the books and hiding the facts, there'd be about a zillion posts already. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, the socialist broadband proponents suddenly find themselves speechless.
Isn't this the kind of ilk y'all promised would disappear as soon as the munis arrived on their white horse? It sure as hell is easy to undercut the competition when you're dipping in the till and taking kickbacks, isn't it?
Big government is a big lie. These problems could be avoided entirely if the government would stick to filling potholes and hiring firefighters.
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| Cooking the books? This was about corporate lawyers claiming that the PUD violated a non-complete clause...meanwhile customers benefited with better service and lower prices.
Yep, stick to filling potholes, hiring firefighters and letting telco and cable giants rape their customers with substandard service and high prices...spoken like a true corporate shill.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by oliphant5:
letting telco and cable giants rape their customers with substandard service and high prices...spoken like a true corporate shill.
But you are perfectly free to cancel service from companies that you don't feel are up to snuff. Don't like your phone company? There are plenty of CLECs and numerous wireless providers to choose from. Don't like your cable service? There's always satellite.
From the time you cancel onward, you are not paying a single red cent to that company that was previously screwing you. With municipally provided service, almost all of which is subsidized by other municipally run utilities and/or taxpayer money, even canceling won't punish a municipal service provider into providing better service. And your tax bill is still higher than it needs to be because you're still feeding the municipal service provider.
I hope there is a full, complete and thorough investigation into these alleged accounting shenanigans, and if the handlers are indeed guilty, then I hope they end up up the river the same way the Rigas family and numerous other formerly rich corrupt CEOs ended up.
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But you are perfectly free to cancel service from companies that you don't feel are up to snuff.
pnh102, are you sneaking into my room at night and stealing my thoughts?
Being a customer is optional. Being a taxpayer is not.
If you don't like the ILEC or cable company, fine. If it pleases you, cancel them and spend the rest of your life wallowing in a personal vendetta...but don't come to me, Joe Taxpayer, with hat in hand to fill the hole.
Call me a shill or whatever you want...just don't ask me to pick up your broadband tab.
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Vancouver, WA | reply to mocycler
"MBB shills" sounds embarrassingly stupid, like a Rush Limbaugh line. The greater concern in America is corporate socialism, not taxpayer owned utilities. I live in Washington State, and I'm familiar with Click, Comcast, and QWEST operations in the region, I'll take my PUD (Clark County)over them anyday. I wouldn't be surprised if the "law" allegedly being violated was lobbied for by AT&T , Comcast, or QWEST, since all have an aversion to competition.
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mocyclerPremium
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I've been called an "shill" a bazillion times...I figure for once turnabout is fair play.
In truth, I'm no fan of the ILECs or cableco's. I believe in small government and in preaching that belief I give the impression that I'm a "shill", at least in the context of municipal broadband. If I'm misunderstood, that's my tuff luck...goes with the territory. I don't have the time nor desire to sit on the internet and justify in microscopic detail my thought process and why I think I'm right...that is, assuming my thoughts have mass appeal in the first place! My comparatively low post count bears this out.
That said, you can't successfully throw the "corporate socialism" line at me because I don't believe in that either. No matter which way you cut it, it's still dipping into my wallet.
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Re: Go Figure... said by oliphant5:
Racket...yeah, it's sure hell to offer more products at better prices. If anyone has the racket it's the competitors who got the no-compete clause into the law.
Why is it when the goverment makes a smart move for the consumers the business complain they can't compete. Why the hell do they do this.. Compete geez. Learn to cut costs in a lot more ways then just kicking out workers save money all around and pass the saving on to the consumers and they wouldn't have this problem.
There is a fine line that these companies could walk on and show good profits but because of greed they fail to. Now they complain about not being able to compete. Hell the damn muni's have cut costs effeciantly to get this to work and get a low price why won't the other companies.
GREED GREED GREED
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Re: Where are the MBB shills? you guys don't read how a muni works they don't charge all the tax payers. they issue bonds and the customers who want it buy them for an amount of time, then they use income from customers to pay the bills and push the costs down after the bonds are repayed they then go into a full profit solution and the prices are either lowered to compensate or are used to fund other goverment projects.
Kind of sickening how these pull from the tax pools ain't it ?? do a bit of reading in the article and it also explains the companies are crying foul because of low costs. and a unfinished clause. Please read the articles and do a little bit of reading about muni's before you go on chanting they are stealing from taxpayers. THIS IS NOT THE CASE READ MORE TALK LESS
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you guys don't read how a muni works they don't charge all the tax payers.
And you didn't read any of my posts. I never said the taxpayers were "charged". The taxpayers provide security for the loans, and I'm against that no matter how small the risk. I won't even go into the (often) hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on studies and surveys before the public even has an opportunity to speak. That money comes directly from public funds and is never repaid.
I don't know what you do for a living...but if a competing business opened across the street and had the benefit of YOUR tax dollars as leverage to undercut you, you'd be first to piss and whine...and rightfully so.
I've stated this before, but I'll recycle my challenge: If this is such a great idea, then get together with some like-minded investors, pool your money, and go for it. I will stand at the front door of the bank and shake your hand as you bring in your first of many big hauls.
Put your own private money where your mouth is and leave me, the taxpayer, alone. I'm not at all interested in some socialist dream, so keep you meathooks offa my wallet. It's easy to flap your jaws when it's someone else's dough.
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It's the little guys trying to compete that are complaining, not the giants. The muni subsidized one company to use existing infrastructure instead of leasing it to startups who were subsequently crushed due to the expense of purchasing their own equipment. At least that's how I read it.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: Go Figure... Well its kinda hard to compete on price when you are going against a tax-exempt government-run bureaucracy that has the benefits of subsidies from other municipally run services. Ever wonder why UPS can't ship you a letter for 37 cents? Maybe its due to the fact that they have to pay fuel taxes on their entire fleet, property taxes on all their buildings, registration costs for all their vehicles and just about every other regulatory fee under the sun. The US Post Office pays none of this (and still loses money).
I still would like to know why people haven't commented on the nice 50% rate hike that was passed on the municipal electric customers in this area. Why don't any of the "pro-competitive" people here suggest that there be some competition in electrical generation for this market, because clearly it is needed.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to PaulHikeS2
Re: Where are the MBB shills? said by PaulHikeS2:
It's the little guys trying to compete that are complaining, not the giants.
Government is hardly the little guy. Government is the biggest, most over-funded, inefficient, over-bloated monopoly in this country. They even put Microsoft to shame.
said by PaulHikeS2:
The muni subsidized one company to use existing infrastructure instead of leasing it to startups who were subsequently crushed due to the expense of purchasing their own equipment. At least that's how I read it.
This is the root of the problem. A privately-owned company would have looked at the financial ramifications of this decision before deciding to subsidize some unproven startup. If the private company screws up, then they have to eat the cost. If they pass that cost onto the consumers in the form of higher prices, then they risk losing customers. Those factors play into the decisions businesses have to make every single day.
A government agency won't care about the financial costs because they can simply make up the lost money in taxes that they collect by holding a gun to people's heads. They don't have to actually earn the money like the rest of us.
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said by mocycler:
said by pnh102:
But you are perfectly free to cancel service from companies that you don't feel are up to snuff.
pnh102, are you sneaking into my room at night and stealing my thoughts?
Being a customer is optional. Being a taxpayer is not.
If I remember correctly many of these munis turn a profit from leasing to businesses during the daytime. So if that was the case being a taxpayer would be a non issue.
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oliphant5Got Identity?Premium
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said by pnh102:
said by oliphant5:
letting telco and cable giants rape their customers with substandard service and high prices...spoken like a true corporate shill.
But you are perfectly free to cancel service from companies that you don't feel are up to snuff. Don't like your phone company? There are plenty of CLECs and numerous wireless providers to choose from. Don't like your cable service? There's always satellite.
It's not about pure monopoly, it's about market manipulation. When you have non-compete, I don't care what size anyone is...that's market manipulation.
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said by mocycler:
I've been called an "shill" a bazillion times...I figure for once turnabout is fair play.
I'm the ultimate shill  I shill for ILECs all the time and I'm not even a customer... top that! LOL
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said by mocycler:
said by BosstonesOwn:
you guys don't read how a muni works they don't charge all the tax payers.
And you didn't read any of my posts. I never said the taxpayers were "charged". The taxpayers provide security for the loans, and I'm against that no matter how small the risk. I won't even go into the (often) hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on studies and surveys before the public even has an opportunity to speak. That money comes directly from public funds and is never repaid.
I don't know what you do for a living...but if a competing business opened across the street and had the benefit of YOUR tax dollars as leverage to undercut you, you'd be first to piss and whine...and rightfully so.
I've stated this before, but I'll recycle my challenge: If this is such a great idea, then get together with some like-minded investors, pool your money, and go for it. I will stand at the front door of the bank and shake your hand as you bring in your first of many big hauls.
Put your own private money where your mouth is and leave me, the taxpayer, alone. I'm not at all interested in some socialist dream, so keep you meathooks offa my wallet. It's easy to flap your jaws when it's someone else's dough.
mocycler
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dude they don't take your money.. they take peoples money who want to invest in this and get it rolling. I do work for a datacenter for a living we get our customers saying these guys have lower prices all the time. and we say if thats what you want is a lower price then by all means go for it. Don't come crying to us to move over all your info from thier broken down servers when your service goes down. And 95% agree that we offer a superb price and superb people to do the work.. thats how we compete and we do quite well.
As far as using your tax dollars against you.. the muni's don't do that. The only questionable tax dollars spent are the ones for studies. I will give you that part. but it's just like those $100 toilet seats. You grin and bear it. If i personally had enuff capital to do it I would gladly put my money up. i know how cheap and how much profit can be had on a muni style system.
Muni's are great things and only the taxpayers who want to use the system invest in the securities.. Not every taxpayer.
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