Missouri Puts Spam Back In Can > nice...

nice...

I'll second that , but I will not make any expectations...

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That's an EXCELLENT law, especially the requirements alerting you as to an "Adv:" or Adult.

Right, I do agree it's hard to enforce, but it's the right direction to go.

It means people can and will start to have a means to hit back at spammers and force them to clean up their act!
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So does that mean they can only enforce their penalties if the spammer is in Missouri?

I can't imagine they'd be able to do much if a Missouri resident receives spam.

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We have the ADV: law in California, and it simply doesn't work. Our law declares that any unsolicited advertisements **ORIGINATING** from California must contain that subject prefix -- so spammers push their spam through open relays in other countries or other states: problem solved.

Of course, open relays are becoming few and far between these days -- the more common tactic is to team up with IRC DDoS kiddies (my guess is that they're the spammers to begin with) and gain access to compromised boxes that can do their dirty work.

Spammers do not abide by laws and they likely never will. We can pass all sorts-of legislation, it won't stop them from continuing their efforts, illegal or otherwise. So far, all efforts deployed have gone in one ear and out the other -- or have simply caused spammers to change their methodology (see above). The latest method deployed is definitely bound to piss off a myriad of folks who rely on SpamAssassin.

I don't rely on SpamAssassin for three reasons: it's a broken implementation / badly implemented (case in point), relies heavily on perl (major bottleneck for mail delivery), and doesn't assist bandwidth-conscious administrators (the incoming DATA portion of the SMTP transaction is still accepted rather than denied at earlier stages of the SMTP handshake).

If any legislation is to be passed, it needs to contain a clause that states how the definition of law applies is based upon where the **recipient** is located, *NOT* where the spam originated from.

As for my own opinion? The only legislation that'd be effective would be to propose death by injection/gas/electric chair/hanging when violated. I'd _gladly_ vote for that.

You know what gets me? These guys aren't making sh** for money. You could effectively relocate to a tech-prone region and get a full-time job making more money than these folks. It's not about money, it's about laziness. Oh how I'm so proud to be an American... pardon me while I go toss up.

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It applies to all spammers who sent to Missouri residents I believe, no matter where they are located. They are suing people in Florida.

..."The lawsuits, filed Wednesday in the U.S. District Court in St. Louis, charge Phillip Nixon of Palm Beach, Fla., and proprietors of the Web site Fundetective.com, of Boca Raton, Fla., with violating the law."...
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Laws are nice, as long as someone enforces them. Oklahoma has the "ADV:" law but our AG won't do anything. You can go here and see the spam I get, take note of how many have "ADV:" in the headers.
»www.intruder1500.com/spammed

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said by koitsu:

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We have the ADV: law in California, and it simply doesn't work. Our law declares that any unsolicited advertisements **ORIGINATING** from California must contain that subject prefix -- so spammers push their spam through open relays in other countries or other states: problem solved.

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said by wae75:

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You can go here and see the spam I get, take note of how many have "ADV:" in the headers.
»www.intruder1500.com/spammed

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I wrote a program to grab the headers off my POP3 account, drop them in a database and then upload them to my website where a 2nd program decodes them and displays the pages.
This explains in a little more detail:
»www.intruder1500.com/spammed/how···ks.shtml

Obviously I need a life.

Two thumbs up. That's incredibly awesome, and a lot of fun. Very cool that the world still has a few people out there that write nifty stuff -- just because they can.
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Nixon slapped down Miss Clio not long ago. Most of the fifty states have legal agreements allowing them to cooperate with each other in these kinds of things.

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Two thumbs up.... That's incredibly awesome, and a lot of fun.

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I'll read it in a bit (messing with PCs right now). If you want ridiculous, try these stats (I work over at Hotmail, by the way) -- if drinking/eating anything, please remove from mouth/finish swallowing prior to reading the below paragraph.

We received 3.5 billion Emails a day at Hotmail. On average, 93% are determined to be spam. Therefore, about 7% of all Email on the 'net at this point is "legitimate."
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Oh I have no trouble believing that at all. Mine runs about the same percentage wise but certainly not that high of a number. Right now 94% of what I get is junk mail.

For me it's gone way past irritating and has now reached the point of just being ridiculous.

»intruder1500.com/spammed