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GASP, a Spam list..

I would think a cool way for this to work. would be to put a bunch of fake honeypot e-mails in the list..

when the honeypot detects 3 or more of these fake emails getting spammed BAM the news it out the spammer is using the antispam list.

Pop servers could be notified to ignore these?
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when the honeypot detects 3 or more of these fake emails getting spammed BAM the news it out the spammer is using the antispam list.

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otay... here's your technical solution...

1) seed the list with false addresses.
2) set up a mail server which supports those addresses.
3) write software on it to alert the Operators that someone is hammering addresses from the list.
4) give those Operators permission to hack and rm -rf / the offending server, after they crack it.

Problem solved, repeat as necessary.

The problems with legality be damned. If spammers can hide behind international boundaries then let the folks who need to stop this crap hide behind the same boundaries...

Neither spammers, nor the enforcement community yet understand the implications of the problem. So let me enlighten everyone...

SPAM is something to anyone who wants to sell something illegal somewhere on the Internet. From offers to illicit perscriptions to drugs, to offers for local illicit sex, spam has it all. What you folks do not see, or understand is that spam is a means of illicit communication, anyone got one of those:

From: owijrnfd@swolsoinf.rlsdfi
To: sliorjwern@woeirnd.islr
Subj: ow8o0wjorhf
Text:
a;ldrei lwierneing lwirhsldifndgkleij kdir kslirndm
lwkefjhi ioeifnsl ienf
nlsdir]

messages yet? WELL WHAT THE HELL DO YOU SUPPOSE THOSE ARE??? Even spammers, viruses, worms, and idiot crackers don't send stuff like that for NO reason... You *DON'T* suppose SPAM is a means for *COMMUNICATION* for some people do you? No, you wouldn't, I guess and I can understand that but I also understand the, "bandwidth be damned, I have to communicate this message", philosophy that comes with a brain and access to the Internet. »osiris.urbanna.net but then I was trained by professionals, who may yet GET it given time... enough said, perhaps they will find this.

End result???

Well, the end result is I personally have crackers hiding behind 80% spam levels, dropping trojans on my users, because they can. God knows what else I have hiding behind 150 dial up lines, 60 or 70 broadband users, and ... aw well whatever ...

What you do to stop it is TAKE THEM DOWN. *AND* while I am on a rant anyway... We.. The "US OF A" designed this damned network and in *MY* mind, we the "US of A" can do any damned thing we want with it... SO... if one or another three letter agency decided to write, say some counter-viruses, or counter-worms, I personally would have NO problem what-so-ever with it *BECAUSE* I'm tired of seeing my country trashed by a bunch of amature crackerz, who believe themselves capable of doing anything and besting anyone. Truth be known, I expect we can take the entire thing down, anytime we feel a real requirement.

So American crackerz, want to have some FUN? Kill a spamming host today. Thankz, your country will appreciate it.
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This is perhaps the silliest thing I have ever seen. Who let this 12 year-old on the Internet?

The only means to stop spam is to pressure the
enforcement of network policy across the pond, especially in the Asian countries. Certain paranoid parties (for example, OpenBSD) simply refuse to carry packets from most
Asian networks because too high a percentage of these packets are abuse-oriented. I run a web hosting service,
and am forced to block packets from what I believe are
hostile networks, and this includes anything in APNIC.

(1) 3 Letter agencies do not care about SPAM, unless
you're talking about the FTC, and their enforcement
capabilities are pathetic at best. SPAM affects tech
business an annoys people, but the "Anti-spam" market
would die if something happened to SPAM tomorrow.

(2) Spam comes mainly from rooted boxes operating for
large spam companies, some of them in the US. "Cracking" these boxes will have no effect on the amount of spam sent out -- for every box you break into, the spammers themselves break into 10.

(3) There is really no technical skill involved in making
trojans. Find the vulnerability through which it will propagate, write the payload, add a touch of personalization, and you're done.

(4) There is no such thing as a "counter worm" or "counter virus". Where do you get these silly ideas?

If you want a violent solution, I highly recommend tracking down a single spammer, going to their place of residence and taking their first born child. Then tell them you will email him instructions on how to get his child back. Then proceed to send him 100000 emails about refinancing his penis. Then videotape the torture and brutal murder of his child, and mail it to him. That'll learn 'em.

reply to ikarus1
It would be easier to develop a new SMTP/POP that would afford subscriber ACL's where the only mail accepted into a mailbox are from addresses defined by the owner of said mailbox.

Another tempting idea is registered mail servers. Any legitimate mail server would have a global registration that prohibits Spam activity. Any non-registered mail server traffic is automatically dropped (as opposed to filtered/denied).

Sufficient anti-spoofing, anti-amateur mail server (a la unregistered server), and end user ALC should sufficiently eliminate the bulk of the problem.

BTW, there is nothing to keep someone from developing a pseudo-SMTP/POP using a different port which operates on a more robust and stealth model than the common SMTP/POP running on registered ports.

Initiative is everything, but we are a lazy society.

reply to iguana5
Welcome to BBR.

reply to Karl Bode
I remember reading somewhere about a server from an unregulated area doing a DOS attack. On the spammers I don't remember where but, I think it was on CNET.
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reply to iguana5

said by iguana5:

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This is perhaps the silliest thing I have ever seen. Who let this 12 year-old on the Internet?

The only means to stop spam is to pressure the
enforcement of network policy across the pond, especially in the Asian countries. Certain paranoid parties (for example, OpenBSD) simply refuse to carry packets from most
Asian networks because too high a percentage of these packets are abuse-oriented. I run a web hosting service,
and am forced to block packets from what I believe are
hostile networks, and this includes anything in APNIC.

(1) 3 Letter agencies do not care about SPAM, unless
you're talking about the FTC, and their enforcement
capabilities are pathetic at best. SPAM affects tech
business an annoys people, but the "Anti-spam" market
would die if something happened to SPAM tomorrow.

(2) Spam comes mainly from rooted boxes operating for
large spam companies, some of them in the US. "Cracking" these boxes will have no effect on the amount of spam sent out -- for every box you break into, the spammers themselves break into 10.

(3) There is really no technical skill involved in making
trojans. Find the vulnerability through which it will propagate, write the payload, add a touch of personalization, and you're done.

(4) There is no such thing as a "counter worm" or "counter virus". Where do you get these silly ideas?

If you want a violent solution, I highly recommend tracking down a single spammer, going to their place of residence and taking their first born child. Then tell them you will email him instructions on how to get his child back. Then proceed to send him 100000 emails about refinancing his penis. Then videotape the torture and brutal murder of his child, and mail it to him. That'll learn 'em.

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reply to ikarus1
you think so?

Not the way things are going.

»www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html
[text was edited by author 2003-10-17 01:39:58]

reply to ikarus1

said by ikarus1:

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said by iguana5:

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This is perhaps the silliest thing I have ever seen. Who let this 12 year-old on the Internet?

The only means to stop spam is to pressure the
enforcement of network policy across the pond, especially in the Asian countries. Certain paranoid parties (for example, OpenBSD) simply refuse to carry packets from most
Asian networks because too high a percentage of these packets are abuse-oriented. I run a web hosting service,
and am forced to block packets from what I believe are
hostile networks, and this includes anything in APNIC.

(1) 3 Letter agencies do not care about SPAM, unless
you're talking about the FTC, and their enforcement
capabilities are pathetic at best. SPAM affects tech
business an annoys people, but the "Anti-spam" market
would die if something happened to SPAM tomorrow.

(2) Spam comes mainly from rooted boxes operating for
large spam companies, some of them in the US. "Cracking" these boxes will have no effect on the amount of spam sent out -- for every box you break into, the spammers themselves break into 10.

(3) There is really no technical skill involved in making
trojans. Find the vulnerability through which it will propagate, write the payload, add a touch of personalization, and you're done.

(4) There is no such thing as a "counter worm" or "counter virus". Where do you get these silly ideas?

If you want a violent solution, I highly recommend tracking down a single spammer, going to their place of residence and taking their first born child. Then tell them you will email him instructions on how to get his child back. Then proceed to send him 100000 emails about refinancing his penis. Then videotape the torture and brutal murder of his child, and mail it to him. That'll learn 'em.

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I'd have snipped a bunch of it but... well this 12 year old figures you wrote it, you can live with it...

You really haven't gotten it yet, have you Iguana? THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT. Not here, not there not any enforcement *ANYWHERE*, or are *YOU* the enforcer? While my wording may have been a bit strong, it just expresses the extreme frustration of many years of Internet use, of watching the Internet turn from a blessing into a frustration. You probably don't have that experience, so I won't just slap you stupid and ignore your points.

You *think* but give not proof that the problem is *Asian* in origin. It isn't but, believe whatever turns you on, or start reading your mail headers, whatever I could care.

Regarding "3 Letter Agencies", after you write curriculum for one, come back and talk to me... UNTIL THAT TIME, just spend your time trying to figure out what they know... Otay?

As for for counter worm... DUH... GET AN EDUCATION... TRY TO STAY CURRENT... LEARN SOMETHING, OTAY?

As for "technical skill writing worms" Which was the last one you diasected, or wrote for that matter?

Inquiring minds would like to be enlightened... NOW GO BACK TO THE PART THAT SAID "SPAM CAN BE USED FOR COMMUNICATION" and re-read all that part ten times... MAYBE you will get it but, honestly I doubt it...

You "host a web service", yeah? Which one of your servers is hammering my network today? Let me guess, it is all microsux based, right?

Twelve year old... yeah, my rosey hinderst parts...
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