| If it has "wirless" in it's name HAMs will kill it After dealing with HAMs on this forum and other places I came to one conclusion:
You guys feel like you own the universe. The moment any signal leaves four walls, you will cry foul. I think that HAMs are the reason wireless product development is restricted and you are the reason why small towns and other rural areas (plus underdeveloped parts of huge cities) have no broadband. You just want everything for your !hobby!. If I was like that with my hobbies, none of you would be driving your old beat up cars, since you would be interfering with my hobby on any roadway. Now get the hell out of my lane damn it! |
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Minneapolis, MN | Hams are upset with the original BPL concept because it is bad engineering and irresponsible public policy. There are RF bands set aside for just these purposes, which do not infringe on other services like shortwave broadcasting, amateur radio or public service. That is where they belong. The 5GHZ band that Corridor is using is allocated to the National Information Infrastructure for just this purpose. Amateur radio has coexisted with everything from AM broadcasters to television to WISP's by cooperating and coordination. BPL on HF frequencies flies in the face of almost 90 years of cooperation. There is no argument if it behaves like a good neighbor and uses the spectrum allocated to it. |
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said by apsinkus:
After dealing with HAMs on this forum and other places I came to one conclusion:
You guys feel like you own the universe. The moment any signal leaves four walls, you will cry foul.
Gee, you think we own the universe? Listen to yourself? You want your high speed internet no matter who you step over to get it.
There are already established rules reguarding interference used by the FCC. Just because some company wants to violate those rules for profit doesn't make it right.
said by apsinkus:
I think that HAMs are the reason wireless product development is restricted and you are the reason why small towns and other rural areas (plus underdeveloped parts of huge cities) have no broadband. You just want everything for your !hobby!.
Oh, this shows your complete and utter ignorance. Some HAM's are responsible for the very computers you use, the internet you surf and the wireless products you have. HAM's were using packet radio long before the internet was open to the public. Most of the HF frequencies used by HAM's (under 30MHz) were declared useless by the government decades ago. We made them work and then everyone wanted to use them.
Fact is, we HAM's pioneered many of the technologies we use today. It may be a hobby, but it's a productive hobby.
Also, do you know why you don't get broadband in small towns? Because there is no money in small towns. Any provider is going to look where the biggest subscriber base is going to be. That means the cities come first and small towns go last (if at all.) Do you think the phone company is going to install DSL equipment for a couple of users? Think cable will put in a node for just a few people? If you think BPL is the answer to your prayers, you better look for a different god cause your prayers are going to go unanswered.
said by apsinkus:
If I was like that with my hobbies, none of you would be driving your old beat up cars, since you would be interfering with my hobby on any roadway. Now get the hell out of my lane damn it!
There is something called a speed limit in this country. You go over it, you might get a ticket. And what happens when your favorite car becomes old? Are you going to give way to something newer? |
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Re: If it has "wirless" in it's name HAMs will kil said by apsinkus:
After dealing with HAMs on this forum and other places I came to one conclusion:
You guys feel like you own the universe. The moment any signal leaves four walls, you will cry foul.
Maybe in other places you found that, but I thought that in this forum, amateur radio operators (and other critics of HF BPL) were quite reasonable in their criticisms.
Of the 27MHz of bandwidth between 3Mhz and 30Mhz (the "shortwave frequencies"), amateurs are allocated about 3.5Mhz, about 13%. Half of that allocation is between 28.0 and 29.7MHz; amateurs are allocated about 7% of the spectrum between 3 and 28Mhz.
Every hertz not allocated to the amateur radio service is allocated to some other service: government, military, aeronautical, broadcasting, etc. Given the long distance propogation characteristics of the HF bands (anywhere from hundreds of miles to literally worldwide), the interference created by BPL V1 would have serious impact around the world.
And I think it's fair to say the jury is still out on 5GHz BPL. (1) Given the condition of the power company infrastructure, can out-of-band spurs be reduced to acceptable levels? (2) There are already other users of the 5GHz spectrum, including 801.11a WLANs. (3) Will using 5GHz BPL do anything to solve the fundamental problem with rural broadband, which is economic, not technical?
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Fullerton, CA | reply to apsinkus
Re: If it has "wirless" in it's name HAMs will kill it said by apsinkus:
After dealing with HAMs on this forum and other places I came to one conclusion:
You guys feel like you own the universe. The moment any signal leaves four walls, you will cry foul. I think that HAMs are the reason wireless product development is restricted and you are the reason why small towns and other rural areas (plus underdeveloped parts of huge cities) have no broadband. You just want everything for your !hobby!. If I was like that with my hobbies, none of you would be driving your old beat up cars, since you would be interfering with my hobby on any roadway. Now get the hell out of my lane damn it!
Think all you want about hams restricting wireless development. If that gets you through the night then God bless. But the truth is that hams are the most vocal about this issue. The fact that BPL is bad is being validated more and more and that is not because hams have the power to do this. Hams actually strive for spectrum sharing, and any technology that will dominate a portion of spectrum that hams share with countless other users the world over has got to be shot down. I am not referring to *New* Bpl, which will do nothing to the worldwide HF; I am reffering to *old* BPL, and if you think that is the only BPL, then you need to pull your cranium out of your anal orifice and look around.
Find me a ham that feels he owns the universe and I will show you a ham who is selfish because of who he is; hams are hobbyists who actually give something to the community: the same thing selfish pigs like you want to take away. Hams are not selfish and we do not feel we own the universe. We are willing to stand up and be heard, and we want to maintain a spectrum that benefits more than just a group of money makers and bandwidth hogs.
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Like everything else that is old this to will pass away!!!
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Dude HAM is like OLDDDDD.....HIGH SPEED INTERNET!!!
------All that matter's-------
Cya |
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| said by theeinstein:
Like everything else that is old this to will pass away!!!
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Dude HAM is like OLDDDDD.....HIGH SPEED INTERNET!!!
------All that matter's-------
Cya
I wish ignorance would pass away, but it's as old as mankind and continues to thrive today. If you did some research you'd know that hams don't have a problem with this form of BPL. The other low speed BPL is a mess and is actually Dark Ages technology, regardless if it's carrying Internet traffic.
Please, get a clue before spewing flamebait and learn what "matter's" as you put it...
»www.qsl.net/k3ng/bpl.html |
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Fullerton, CA | Thanks, rf_engineer. |
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Re: If it has "wirless" in it's name HAMs will kil Dude if you read my original post it said nothing to the topic.. I can't see where I was saying if the person was wrong or right... truthfully I don't even care... and if you wish ignorance would pass away maybe you shouldn't read into my post what isn't there in the first place!! |
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| said by theeinstein:
and if you wish ignorance would pass away maybe you shouldn't read into my post what isn't there in the first place!!
Perhaps you should more clearly state whatever you're trying to communicate. You appeared to be saying Amateur Radio is old and it will pass away to high speed BPL Internet. Is this not the case ?
If you don't really care, why are you posting ? |
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Re: If it has "wirless" in it's name HAMs will kill it said by apsinkus:
After dealing with HAMs on this forum and other places I came to one conclusion:
You guys feel like you own the universe. The moment any signal leaves four walls, you will cry foul.
Correction:
1. We are knowledgeable enough to know that we have to share the universe with others.
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2. We only cry foul when signals leave four walls when they: a. interfere with others, and b. are long range and unlicensed (i.e. have the potential to interfere). |
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