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| Dead horse 2 (case #22) The good news is that there is finally recognition from the BPL community that this technology is leaking in-band (and perhaps even out of band on most powerlines!). Perhaps there is a solution in the co-licensing space that can recover the ailing stocks out of this latest "BPL demo". The bad news is that some people may think that the horse is not really dead yet. According to rf_engineer earlier posting on various pro-BPL logic, this would be a case #22 (rigormortis) or #23 (Treckie technology). I am not trolling and please bare with me for a moment before firing back.
Let's each take out our favorite Xcel spreadsheet and create a worksheet called "rural deployment ROI analysis" and enter three columns:
- one for dropping new DSL repeater commodity gear at each 15000 feet of line
- one for dropping a cell site/antenna commodity gear (while powering off the powerline) at every say 30000 feet.
- one for dropping BPL line repeaters (ensure to include CAPEX and OPEX) at every TBD feet (how many feet were the repeaters dropped at in latest BPL demo?)
Add it all up, also put a column in on when will the stuff be available at a commodity price (&risk associated), and send it over to the FCC commissioner; make sure it is the one on the torture stretcher that saw the first BPL demo.
And then you can beat me on my posting and tell me that the horse is not really dead but perhaps can kick again if we are all kind enough to give it a chance. When a horse suffers, everyone one is better off if the horse is put down. Deploying broadband to rural is ***not*** a technology problem (even if they ever got BPL to work!), it is simply a spreadsheet problem. It is that simple. This forum is far too technical to solve it. | |
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australia | Re: Dead horse - I hope it isnt dead! Hiyas all,
After reading most of the posts here, I tend to agree that the dream of 'broadband for all' is not limited by intellect, or physical strength, or environment - it is purely economics, or more simply - money.
Its great that there are people out there prepared to sink time and funds into BPL tech, and I understand both views of the hammies and broadband-needy (well, lots of people judge their quality of life by the speed and quality of their internet experience!)
Here in AU, we have hugely remote towns, that would benefit in so many ways from reliable, fast broadband. At the moment, we rely on Telstra, and Optus (two main phone companies here) with Telstra providing the physical telecomms infrastructure - Optus 'leases' it.
Consider this - why would Telstra (partially privatised company) want to fork out millions to install a full duplex satellite base in one town, and then run a bunch of fibre between two towns that might be... say - 80km away (Kalgoorlie and Boulder, in WA) to provide better phone quality and facilities, and broadband to maybe 300 people of a population of 2000? They already have 'adequate' phone availability (radio exchanges that have minimal load capacity and no upgradeability) according to Telstra.
Although they make in excess of $AU 30M a year profit, with over 10% of unknown profit origins, its still too expensive to install the infrastructure.
So. It all comes down to money. Return of Investment. Overall profit. Which is why the rural areas still rely on bad, disgustingly expensive satellite for education/phone services for the larger towns, and the smaller groups do without. Or use a CDMA mobile phone.
The one relatively common thing to all outback areas, is power lines, be they underground or overhead.
If the BPL technology was proven, and developed as being more cost effective, it would be a sure bet that Telstra (or maybe Optus, if they were convinced to start a new stream of business) would be much quicker to implement and price BPL broadband within rural consumer reach.
However, I agree a designated frequency range should be assigned for BPL use.
So in describing in simplistic designs the plight of the australian rural areas and the 'broadband for all' dream, I hope this horse isnt dead, we could really do with this kind of solution.
Cheerio
Dea | |
| Re: Dead horse - I hope it isnt dead! (case #21) You cannot need this that badly (case #21). Read on.
Even if techically they could:
- fix the problem of transit delays (for broadband needs)
- contain the out of band leakage
- get their own band (for inband leakage)
- minimize safety issues (radiation&high power electricity) to installers of repeaters or people living nearby
- contain cost of installing these repeaters
- forget about RF environmental impact (the higher up you go in the spectrum the worst it gets)
you still have the fundamental economics of what is the cost of DSL repeater gear -vs- this new BPL gear (and when would it be ready for prime time). This is the real horse killer. I sincerely hope the forum consensus is emerging on this. The rest is a fictitious technology fix and we have gone there too many times recently and always eventually wake up with a worse aftermath.
You are welcome to join in the wake on the posted topic and plan getting a shovel for the burial on Monday afternoon. Transmaster has promised to not post further shocking graphics. I have also committed to better moderate my furror over this. I have also asked to abstain from any further dark humour. I am sure some creative minds can keep this going. I think everyone needs some healing at this point. That is what a wake is for. | |
| reply to CheeseWare
Rumors of my death have been exaggerated The wake went uneventfully apart a few IM exchanges until the horse came back alive at hour 23 and said: "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated". Can you believe what came out of that horse mouth? I was shocked and then he added: "Did you not think that somebody else would like to ride me and perhaps stay away from fine China stores. Aside a few technical issues, maybe someone will figure out the economics of dropping these new BPL repeaters".
I then took a strong shot of scotch and figured I had to cancel the Monday afternoon burial. Don't you love this cando attitude? Have a good week and remember, as my compat Red Green would say, that we are all in this together.
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