Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home in Microsoft Help

Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home in Microsoft Help http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r8271649 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:48:32 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:48:32 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8288596 jopfef : Thanks for this information! I've just added the file and the information to my collection of XP stuff, and can now put this to use on my cousin's system.

Really appreciate this! :D
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said by Shootist :
To my knowledge there is no real security running FAT32. You need NTFS to enable any real security features.

That's what I thought. Well, then, we must go to NTFS...pronto! Thanks.
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said by crashnburn :
Still not sure exactly what's so special about this post because I was able to see the Security Tab on all the XP machines I touch without having to do anything other then loading the OS.

Even Home Edition? As the topic implies, us Home Edition users don't have that tab in normal mode and there isn't any option to change that either. We could boot into Safe Mode to use it, but that's alot of rebooting.

I wish people would realize this thread is geared towards Home Edition, not Pro. There is a difference.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8281460 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:59:03 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8280833 crashnburn : Still not sure exactly what's so special about this post because I was able to see the Security Tab on all the XP machines I touch without having to do anything other then loading the OS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8280833 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:00:41 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8280131 redxii : The Windows 2000 DLL worked, whereas the Windows 2003 did not. So I guess your hypothesis proves right that DLLs from XP and higher use the checking, whilst any predating DLLs work. I also believe that you can hex edit to disable this check just as you can for the uxtheme.dll to be able to use non-MS themes.

Xteq X-Setup also can supposedly enable/disable SFS as there is an option for it regardless of Home or Pro. System > Advanced System Settings > Windows XP Simple Shares.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8280131 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:39:07 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8277704 anthrorules : Cool! Thank you very much!

said by vukodlak75 :

said by anthrorules :

Security tab is revealed when Simple File Sharing is disabled. Windows Explorer->Tools->Folder Options->View and scroll to the bottom.

for MVM, even though you're not supposed to (MVM FAQ), he's doing one hell of a job.
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said by DSmithLady :
With simple file sharing, you are unable to share program files of documents and settings files.

I can share both folders, but you have to consider that you're using Windows file sharing and it goes back many years; so sharing the "Documents and Settings" folder with the defaults generated by the GUI (the same name with spaces) gives a warning dialog. The GUI does "prevent" sharing the "Program Files" folder, but there are at least two ways around that. The first is to share the whole drive. The second is to use the net.exe command line utility, viz.:

net share Goo="C:\Program Files"

The same applies to NTFS security settings. The Security tab provides a "point and click" interface to the security functions, but those functions are there on XP Home regardless of whether the tab is. For example, the CACLS.EXE command line utility provides a good "scripting" interface and it doesn't have the operational restrictions the GUI interface does on XP Home. Another example is that Registry keys are also securable and those can be administered in RegEdit on XP Home using the same underlying functionality.

Edit: yet another example is a nice utility recently released from SysInternals called AccessEnum (»www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source.shtml)

(Sharing any of those three points on the drive the O/S is installed probably isn't a good idea from a security standpoint, though.)

Philip Sloss
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[text was edited by author 2003-10-20 11:44:47]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8277102 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:27:43 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8276884 DSmithLady :

said by psloss :

said by DSmithLady :
I can tell you that I am now able to share "my documents" folder on my HOME machine that I was not able to do before...without using the safe mode and accessing the security tab.
That's odd...I've shared out folders and even drives on XP Home before using Simple File Sharing...what was the problem before installing the NT4 SCE GUI?

Or are you talking about something a little different? The sharing interface (and sharing permissions) are much simpler than file system permissions and are probably less prone to problems.

Thanks,

Philip Sloss

With simple file sharing, you are unable to share program files of documents and settings files.
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said by jcnnghm :
No need to do all that, just click on Tools--Folder Options--View, and uncheck Use simple file sharing (Recommended).

Are you using XP Pro?
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said by redxii :
Does this compromise security by using 5 year old code?

Any more so than using "new" code ?? :)

This should be safe, I think. The kernel in XP is simply an updated Win2K kernel, which is supposedly a complete re-write from the NT4 days. This is called a "back port" from Win2K, meaning they took this good feature from Win2K and applied it back to NT4.
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BTW, there are two:
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006E086C}\InProcServer32]
@="rshx32_5.dll"
"ThreadingModel"="Apartment"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006E086C}\InProcSe rver32]
@="rshx32_5.dll"
"ThreadingModel"="Apartment"

Old/New data still being rshx32.dll/rshx32_5.dll.

They seem to update each other, like if you change the local machine one it will have already changed the CLasses_Root one and vice versa.

Now to get rshx32.dll from Server 2003 Standard and give that a try.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8276482 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:52:10 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8276248 vukodlak75 :

said by anthrorules :
Sorry for my ignorance...

"Well not any more, thanks to this new tip from Doug Knox you too can have security settings just like in XP PRO."

I recently upgraded my system from WinXP Home Edition to WinXP Pro and I do not see any security tabs in my file/folder properties...is this normal? Is there a special setting I need to turn on to see them? Or do I need to actually login as "Administrator" to see this tab?

I am logged as a user with administrative permissions.

Security tab is revealed when Simple File Sharing is disabled. Windows Explorer->Tools->Folder Options->View and scroll to the bottom.
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I checked and this DLL is identical for both XP Home and Pro -- which makes sense, since it's straightforward to put a check in the code to detect which edition of XP and whether Safe Mode is "enabled" and makes for less paperwork than having separate binaries for Home and Pro.

What it seems to come down to is that the SCESP4I.EXE package substitutes an older version of the DLL that doesn't do that checking, which means that enabling the Security tab is dependent on using an old DLL.

I believe the only change necessary to "install" this functionality is to extract the rshx32_5.dll file from the mssce.cab file, copy it to the System32 directory, and make the change to the Registry value mentioned in my earlier post:

said by me:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006E086C}\InProcServer32 "(Default)"
Old data: rshx32.dll
New data: rshx32_5.dll

It's probably possible from a technical standpoint to substitute versions of this DLL from other versions of Windows (such as Windows 2000 and perhaps Windows Server 2003), but this one in the SCESP4I.EXE package is probably the only one available for public download.

Unfortunately, even though I have a better understanding of what is going on, none of this information really addresses my original concern -- it just makes it more specific. So I guess it all basically boils down to caveat emptor.

For what it's worth,

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275897 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:17:12 EDT Re: Security tab Registry entries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275801 psloss :

said by Kramer :
Now, I'm ready for Dave to pounce upon me with a silver hammer.

Me, too. Hopefully he can straighten us out. :-)

Actually, I'm still looking at this and it's looking like I've got something wrong and am about to come full circle on this.

More in a bit,

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275801 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:46:45 EDT Re: Security tab Registry entries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275737 Kramer : Nice work Philip! I just hope everyone understands that this GUI will allow one to set permissions for local access, but because XP Home authenticates all network users as guests, things could get very confusing for network access.

For instance lets say I give Bill, Mary and Spot full control to folder x and all it's subfolders. That's fine as long as they are working on that computer, but regardless of what the share permissions are set for, those people are not going to access those files unless the guest account or everyone is also included in the permissions (Share permissions too!). With XP Home, all network users either have access to a file or don't have access to a file, there is no in-between. You can't be selective among users. Now, I'm ready for Dave to pounce upon me with a silver hammer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275737 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:31:00 EDT Security tab Registry entries http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275607 psloss : OK, I believe this boils down to a series of Registry keys and entries. I need to take a break so for now, I'll just post the details and come back later. Thanks to the restore point functionality, I was able to restore the config back to the "fresh" XP Home and then install InCtrl5 to do a before and after snapshot; here are the Registry changes that I believe to be relevant:

Keys added...
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shellex\PropertySheetHandlers\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006E086 C} "(Default)"
Type: REG_SZ
Data:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{85BBD920-42A0-1069-A2E4-08002B30309D}\shellex\PropertySheetHa ndlers\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006E086C} "(Default)"
Type: REG_SZ
Data:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shellex\PropertySheetHandlers\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00A A006E086C} "(Default)"
Type: REG_SZ
Data:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Drive\shellex\PropertySheetHandlers\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006 E086C} "(Default)"
Type: REG_SZ
Data:

Values changed...

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006E086C}\InProcServer32 "(Default)"
Old type: REG_SZ
New type: REG_SZ
Old data: rshx32.dll
New data: rshx32_5.dll

This last entry -- the change -- could be bad, since it substitutes the XP version of the functionality (rshx32.dll) with the 1998 version of the functionality (rshx32_5.dll).

Anyway, the common link is the GUID "{1F2E5C40-9550-11CE-99D2-00AA006E086C}" and scanning through the setup files from the SCESP4I.EXE package, I found this in the [Strings] section of the setup.inf file:

CLSID_RSHX_NTFS={1f2e5c40-9550-11ce-99d2-00aa006e086c}

Then looking for "CLSID_RSHX_NTFS" in the file, I found this in the [MMCPostSetupCmdSection] section (with a couple of entries snipped):

[MMCreg]
HKCR,Clsid\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,%DESCRIPTION%
HKCR,Clsid\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%\InProcServer32,,,%MODULENAME%
HKCR,Clsid\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%\InProcServer32,"ThreadingModel",,Apartment
HKCR,*\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,
HKCR,Drive\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,
HKCR,Directory\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,
HKCR,Clsid\%CLSID_BRIEFCASE%\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,

The first three entries here cover the "Values changed" part of the InCtrl5 report and could probably be skipped, which leaves these entries (I'm repeating them):

HKCR,*\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,
HKCR,Drive\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,
HKCR,Directory\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,
HKCR,Clsid\%CLSID_BRIEFCASE%\%SHEXPS%\%CLSID_RSHX_NTFS%,,,

SHEXPS is from the Strings section:

SHEXPS=shellex\PropertySheetHandlers

So the Security tab is registered in Property Sheets for three areas: * or all, Drive, and Directory.

All very interesting, but now my brain hurts (my brain in my head). So I'm not dead sure, but right now I think the bottom line is that people who install this should fix their Registry so that Explorer uses the XP version of the rshx32.dll.

People who want to add the functionality may be able to cobble together a Registry script instead of running this install package. At some point, I'll try to test that.

I still have to do an InCtrl5 compare of the Registry between "normal" mode and Safe Mode, but that's where I am right now.

Hope that helps somebody,

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275607 Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:03:46 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275114 psloss :

said by redxii :
Does this compromise security by using 5 year old code?

I just want to be able to use the Security tab, and it wasn't very nice of MS to leave it out.. I guess I could use Server 2003 Standard's files..

I hear you -- it would have been nice if they had at least provided a way to enable the functionality for power users.

My concern isn't about a security compromise so much as data corruption -- and it's still unsubstantiated. I just found it odd that this package would "work" given that it predates XP. There has to be a reason why it works and short of that (or several reasons), it may only partially work (or worse).

I just tried breaking the Security tab or making it go away and I found that two of the DLLs I referred to earlier -- the wsecedit.dll file and the scedll.dll file both do NOT work on the system. They fail to load, even manually, so that can't be providing the functionality.

What I found is that the rshx32_5.dll file seems to be providing it. If I move that file to the Recycle Bin and bring up a Properties dialog, the tab isn't there.

And it doesn't make sense anyway, since the tab is available without this package in Safe Mode. There has to be something like a dynamic Registry setting or something like that, so I'm looking for references there. So far, what I've found is that there's a file named rshx32.dll in XP Pro that is registered similarly to what I found in XP Home.

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275114 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:32:27 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275051 Kramer :

said by psloss :
I just installed this on a "fresh" XP Home install (no SP1 yet) and it doesn't appear to have changed one of the basics of SFS -- all logins are still authenticated as Guest, rather than the provided credentials. I can connect with a bogus user and password, or rather, with any user and password.

Exactly. I don't understand what value this would have unless that behavior (all users authenticated as guest) is corrected. Isn't there a "sometimes works" registry value that turns this behavior off?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8275051 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:25:24 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8274918 redxii : Does this compromise security by using 5 year old code?

I just want to be able to use the Security tab, and it wasn't very nice of MS to leave it out.. I guess I could use Server 2003 Standard's files..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8274918 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:11:03 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8274613 psloss :

said by Shootist :
I haven't dug into it but this must turn off Simple file sharing. Even in XP Pro if you have SFS enabled you don't get the security tab. Does anyone know if you can Uninstall it to enable SFS.

I just installed this on a "fresh" XP Home install (no SP1 yet) and it doesn't appear to have changed one of the basics of SFS -- all logins are still authenticated as Guest, rather than the provided credentials. I can connect with a bogus user and password, or rather, with any user and password.

There's less of a chance for conflict because some of the core libraries that come in the package -- aclui.dll and esent.dll -- are a part of the XP Home setup and the old versions of the files are restored by System File Protection.

One of the major missing pieces is the wsecedit.dll file, which seems to provide the Security tab interface itself. Those of you who have XP Professional will find an XP version of this file in their System32 directory, but it's not in a default XP Home install and this library remains from the SCESP4I.EXE "package," along with the scedll.dll and rshx32_5.dll libraries.

(Of course, a big difference is that the SCESP4I.EXE package appears to legally available, while the XP Pro files are not redistributable without purchase of XP Pro.)

I haven't had a chance to do much testing of this yet; the first thing was to look at contents of the package and how they install on XP Home. Next thing to test is whether one can unregister the libraries that the package installs to "uninstall" the Security tab.

Rather than adding much underlying functionality, I think this package mostly provides a way to access the Security GUI without having to run in Safe Mode. The CACLS.EXE program uses the same underlying functionality and is available, Safe Mode or no, but is a command-line program.

I'm still nervous about the difference in implementations -- both in terms of the 2-3 year difference and the difference in "size" (the old wsecedit.dll is 376 KB, the XP one is 533 KB)...

...but it's definitely interesting and I don't want to discourage anyone who wants to take a look at it. I'm more curious now than anything.

If I find anything of note, I'll post more.

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8274613 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:41:39 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8274517 redxii : This is so cool. And to think I was to pay $200 for Pro just to get the security tab.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8274517 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:28:23 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8274510 anthrorules : Sorry for my ignorance...

"Well not any more, thanks to this new tip from Doug Knox you too can have security settings just like in XP PRO."

I recently upgraded my system from WinXP Home Edition to WinXP Pro and I do not see any security tabs in my file/folder properties...is this normal? Is there a special setting I need to turn on to see them? Or do I need to actually login as "Administrator" to see this tab?

I am logged as a user with administrative permissions.
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I have DLed it and installed it and it seems to be running fine. This is a real bonus because the security tab is the only thing I need from Pro. As far as connecting to a Domain at this time I could care less about it but I was considering upgrading my Dell laptop to Pro once the warranty was off, now I don't have to.

Thanks for the TIP.
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said by DSmithLady :
I can tell you that I am now able to share "my documents" folder on my HOME machine that I was not able to do before...without using the safe mode and accessing the security tab.

That's odd...I've shared out folders and even drives on XP Home before using Simple File Sharing...what was the problem before installing the NT4 SCE GUI?

Or are you talking about something a little different? The sharing interface (and sharing permissions) are much simpler than file system permissions and are probably less prone to problems.

Thanks,

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8273596 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:45:33 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8273342 Ctrl Alt Del :

said by DSmithLady :

said by Ctrl Alt Del :
I hope someone saved the EXE because MS might have pulled it from their site!

EDIT: I had to browse through MS's FTP in order to download it. Weird.
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I did..and the above link still works for me.

Clicking on the link I got a Page cannot be Displayed, but browsing the FTP, I was able to download the file.

Must be a problem with my computer.
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said by Ctrl Alt Del :
I hope someone saved the EXE because MS might have pulled it from their site!

EDIT: I had to browse through MS's FTP in order to download it. Weird.
[text was edited by author 2003-10-19 20:01:31]

I did..and the above link still works for me.
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EDIT: I had to browse through MS's FTP in order to download it. Weird.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8273254 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:57:35 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8273020 DSmithLady : I can tell you that I am now able to share "my documents" folder on my HOME machine that I was not able to do before...without using the safe mode and accessing the security tab.
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said by Outsourced :
I'm just a dumb old country boy. I don't know anything about the code that this was compiled with. I make no claims as to my computer expertise.
All I know is that I installed it, I'm using it, it works fine for me, and it does not interfere in any way with the Security tab functions in Safe Mode.

Hey, no problem; my opinion isn't all that informed -- you've actually run it, so you've put some miles on this tip. If I get a chance to try that out in the next couple of weeks on an XP Home install, I will.

A question, if you don't mind: Have you changed the security on any files/folders, and if so, how? For example, have you denied access to particular accounts or changed any of the granular settings for a particular account?

Thanks,

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8272137 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:15:20 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8271649 Outsourced : I'm just a dumb old country boy. I don't know anything about the code that this was compiled with. I make no claims as to my computer expertise.
All I know is that I installed it, I'm using it, it works fine for me, and it does not interfere in any way with the Security tab functions in Safe Mode.
I do trust the tips Doug Knox posts on his site and his word that it worked for him was enough for me to try it on my computer. After I tried it out for myself and was satisfied that it worked, I posted it here for anyone that wanted to try it out.
If anyone has any concerns about this doing any damage to their computer then by all means don't do it.

Just my uninformed opinion,

CntryBmpkin]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8271649 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:52:50 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8270867 psloss : I would be very cautious about using this -- what worries me is that this code was specifically compiled for NT 4.0, Service Pack 4 way back in October of 1998. As the readme file says, "The version of SCE available on NT4-SP4 is a backport of technology that will ship in NT 5.0." (Of course NT 5.0 was publicly dubbed Windows 2000.)

There are some differences in the security data structures from NT4 to Windows 2000 to Windows XP (at the very least), such as the layout of access control lists. And there are differences in the versions of NTFS from NT4 to XP, such as the implementation of EFS. I'll see if I can find some non-programming references, but that's how I'm familiar with this.

Another thing to check is whether this will interfere with Safe Mode operations, where I believe the Security tab is "normally" available in XP Home.

I haven't tried this, so I can't say that it will not work, but I would at least keep System Restore points up to date.

Just my opinion,

Philip Sloss
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Feedback? e-mail: stuff@lupwa.org ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8270867 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:51:32 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269775 DSmithLady : I too say Thanks? ;)

I only have one XP HOME and it gets frustrating to try to do something and then remember...Oh Yeah...I can't do that on HOME.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269775 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:01:18 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269713 fire100_old : Nice find! Thanks for sharing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269713 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:51:46 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269686 jabbawest : After installing this cool addition to XP Home I do have one small concern.
I'm wondering if Windows will dump/replace these files if in the future one has to use System File Checker?
My guess is yes but I could be wrong.
Again. It's a small concern because one could just keep the SCESP4I.EXE file on hand and reinstall it if Windows does dump it but I thought I'd mention it anyway.
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I'm glad you found that little MS diddy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269482 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:12:22 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269174 Hutch : This link works. :)

»www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/d···ault.asp
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*TeamZ*Member ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8269174 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:05:01 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8268624 Tuulilapsi : The link for the SCESP4I.EXE doesn't work. Does anyone have that file handy? MSeng? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8268624 Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:06:20 EDT Re: TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8262082 MSeng : Great tip! Thanks for sharing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8262082 Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:30:47 EDT TIP: Add Folder Security tab to XP Home http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,8261090 Outsourced : I came across this on Doug Knox's site and thought I'd share it here.
As you XP Home users know the only way to get to the Security tab on folder properties is to boot into Safe Mode.

Well not any more, thanks to this new tip from Doug Knox you too can have security settings just like in XP PRO.

»www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_home_sectab.htm

"How Do I see the Security Tab in XP Home?
This tip provided by Gilles Pion

Go to: »www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/d···ault.asp

Instructions: Download the x86 (Intel) version of the Security Configuration Manager and save it to your hard disk. Double click the SCESP4I.EXE file you downloaded and extract the contents to a temporary location on your hard disk. Then open the folder you extracted the files to and locate the Setup.inf (Setup Information) file. Right click Setup.inf and select Install. After the installation is finished, reboot your computer.

Disclaimer: I have tested this procedure on my XP Home installation, and it works. I cannot guarantee that it will work on your system. Make sure you create a System Restore point before proceeding.

WARNING: Adjusting the permissions on a drive, file or folder can lock even the Administrator account out of that drive/file/folder."

I like anything that gives me more control over my computer, helps to make it more secure, and generally makes life a little easier. I hope someone finds this as useful as I did.

Best thing since sliced bread

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