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lec engr

@frontiercorp.com

reply to boogie74

Re: Typical Telco market manipulation

Ummmm... not quite. That would be a violation of sec 271 which specifically details the requirements of co-location. The problem at hand is simply that CLECs who use UNE-P don't want to offer DSL because it would make them ineligible for UNE-P pricing. DSLAMs don't fall under the definition of UNE-P network elements.

Ummmm... not quite. One of the Unbundled Network Elements is the loop. If a DSL provider wants to collo a DSLAM in the CO, they, by law, do have access to the unbundled loops.

If the voice CLEC is using UNE switching - there is no additional equipment! SBC is providing the service.... There is no technical reason that SBC cant provide DSL on that loop.


boogie74

join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI

quote:
If the voice CLEC is using UNE switching - there is no additional equipment! SBC is providing the service.... There is no technical reason that SBC cant provide DSL on that loop.
There is a BIG reason SBC can't provide DSL on that loop- the CLEC "owns" it when it's in use wholesale- and that means that the entire spectrum of possible usage is off limits to SBC. SBC isn't allowed to offer ANYTHING to the end retail customer using that loop. SBC techs aren't even allowed to enter the premises to do internal wiring for CLEC customers.

SBC is required to offer unbundled network elements to CLECs. CLECs aren't required to offer the same back to SBC. SBC can't even ASK for it. SBC isn't allowed to "know" what the loop is used for- whether it be for POTS service or an alarm circuit or whatever the CLEC is using it for.

SBC's retail divisions aren't allowed to know what facilities a CLEC is using and what they're being used for- ESPECIALLY for the purpose of selling the retail end user a service. The CLEC leases the facilities and "brands" them as its own. SBC isn't allowed to know ANYTHING more than what the CLEC is leasing wholesale- and that info is limited to a wholesale division.

To make things more complicated, ASI (the data "company" that SBC uses to offer broadband) is not the same company as SBC- it's a wholly owned subsidiary (as per requirements for the SBC-Ameritech merger). ASI has separate books, employees, directors, officers and payroll from SBC. This means that since SBC (the LEC) can't legally "know" what a CLEC is selling to the end user, they SURE as all hell can't tell ASI so that ASI can provision DSL on the loop.

But then again, as Karl Bode says, "this argument was heavily disputed by the visitors to this forum." Don't mind me while I laugh at the "expert" disputes from those that frequent BBR. They'll tell you that GRAVITY is a ploy by the ILECs to get people to drop spare change!

Boogie

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