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PwnZone | reply to paulinkc
Re: Stupid stupid stupid.... yea you wardrive to use other peoples bandwidth to download lotsa crap, not to steal credit card #'s. tisk tisk! |
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| I think both parties are wrong, Lowe's and the wardrivers. Lowe's should already have security measures on their wireless system. But if a wireless connection is open, then let the games begin... but not in a malicious way... |
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 RRedlineRated RPremium
join:2002-05-15
Williamsport, PA | So if you don't lock your front door, you are to blame when somebody walks in and takes your TV? How do you figure that Lowe's was "wrong"? Negligent perhaps, but not "wrong". What's wrong is thinking that people who don't do enough to prevent a crime from happening are the ones responsible for said crimes.
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 Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| I think that's what he meant when he said Lowe's was wrong.
A better analogy would be, is it wrong if your friend gives you a key to his house so you can feed his cats while he's on vacation, and you just leave his door unlocked? Theres a huge difference between being careless with your own stuff, and being careless with other peoples things.
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 jwsmiths4Part Man, Part MacPremium
join:2003-10-25
Savannah, GA | I think an even better comparison would be saying that wardriving and stealing CC#s is like leaving your door unlocked and someone stealing your TV, and wardriving and stealing bandwidth is like leaving your door unlocked and coming home to find someone else watching your TV. |
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Silly R, they are both guilty and the victims. Guilty for leaving their wireless system open and the victims because cc #'s were stolen.
We could argue this until we are blue in the face, but the sad truth is that this could have been prevented if WEP, WPA, or even MAC address control was activated. |
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ackman
join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA | reply to RRedline
Yes, you are partly to blame if you don't lock your door. How smart would it be to leave a laptop computer or a cell phone on your car seat without locking your car door? It's almost like reckless endangerment, they created an unsafe situation. If anything, the customers whose credit card numbers were stolen should sue Lowe's for failing to provide adequate and reasonable security for their personal and confidential information. I do think Lowe's has a responsibility to use due care in setting up such a network, understanding the risks involved, and adequately protecting their internal data systems. It's not rocket science to anyone in the tech industry. Sounds like they just had a weak IT guy come up with this solution. Or a big consulting firm like Accenture sold them a whiz bang idea for a ton of money, then didn't finish it properly...not that the big consulting firms would ever do something like that of course... |
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 99664227Heavily MODeratedPremium
join:2002-11-21
USA | reply to DBowmanJr
said by DBowmanJr:
I think both parties are wrong, Lowe's and the wardrivers. Lowe's should already have security measures on their wireless system. But if a wireless connection is open, then let the games begin... but not in a malicious way...
Well if you read the paragraph it stated that the hackers used a employees account to gain access.
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 rkleinGod Among Hogs
join:2001-01-18
Clinton, MA | reply to RRedline
Check your state laws. In some states you're legally required to have an ignition lock on your car. If you use a screwdriver to start your car and someone steals it from you, they'll probably get locked up, but you may run into trouble with any insurance claims (regardless of the ignition lock laws).
So, to get back on track: yeah, the hackers were wrong and should be prosecuted, but Lowes was also negligent because of their lax security.
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now thats a good analogy.. what comes to mind is that movie half-baked "the guy" on the couch lol. But some fat dude sitting on your couch one of your beer's in his hand. And then watching him eat your food. haha.. now thats funny.
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 pcdebbRIP dadkinsPremium
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Brandon, FL
kudos:4 | reply to RRedline
said by RRedline:
So if you don't lock your front door, you are to blame when somebody walks in and takes your TV?
Absolutely! it's wrong for someone to walk in, but if you leave the door open there's nothing stopping the miscreant other than just turning the knob. any company should know better. i wish i had a wireless device or i'd wardrive my store to see what data is flying thru the air, only to tell them to lock it up (if it hasnt been done already)
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That's a good comparison, although even stealing bandwidth can be harmful -- i.e. ISPs who have explicit caps, or implicit caps like Comcrap, or even the crazy FAP "funnel system" used by DirecWay.
I agree that stealing bandwidth is less detrimental, but it should still be considered a crime. It's no different to me than the "door unlocked/robbery" comparison.
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