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Completely uninstall Telus Broadjump Spyware

I posted this elsewhere in the forum last night but I thought it was important enough to deserve a new topic.

My sister recently got Telus ADSL in BC. She was unaware that the installation CD placed Broadjump spyware onto her computer and it was trying to phone home every time she booted up. It took forever to get through to Telus tech support and they recommended to her that she uninstall Zone Alarm to solve the problem!!!! I told her that was the worst advice I've ever heard and I started to research it.

I uninstalled the Broadjump software via Control Panel\Add\remove Programs (Windows 98). Zone Alarm indicated after this that a file called CFD.exe was still attempting to phone home at boot up. Of course when I tried to find this file it was nowhere. I had run into this type of software before so I knew that the filenames would be disguised and I suspected that the leftover files and folders would be in the registry. I ran Ad-aware and despite reports that Ad-aware detects this software, it did not. I have reported it to Lavasoft.

Broadjump software is made by a company called Motive Communications. I contacted them directly by email and they referred me back to my ISP for instructions on how to completely remove the software. I placed a call to Telus tech support. It took them a week to call me back. The tech guy played dumb and pretended he had never heard of the Broadjump software. I feel embarrassed for the Telus tech people that their employer either keeps them in the dark about this stuff or else forces them to lie about it.

After quite a bit of arguing I finally convinced the guy to go and ask someone higher up. He came back now admitting that someone at Telus at least knows about the software but he insisted that uninstalling it in Add\Remove Programs was all I needed to do and it would be completely gone. When I specifically asked him whether he thought perhaps there might be some files or folders left over in the registry he actually played dumb and pretended he didn't know what the registry was! How lame can you get? Does he actually expect me to believe that? It's getting pretty bad when the average customer knows far more than the tech support. Perhaps Telus hires people who know nothing and who won't ask any questions so they can continue to hide stuff like Broadjump spyware from them in an attempt to hide it from the customer. Who knows?

I think Telus should have researched this for me. It's their job, not mine. I emailed Motive again and asked them to provide Telus with the names of all the files and folders related to their software and the locations and how to safely remove it. Telus should post this info on their website. Any reputable company would--but, well you know Telus' reputation. They won't. Their deal with Motive means a lot of money for them if they can slip it past the customers.

Here's what I finally did to get rid of this software. I can not guarantee this will work without problems for everyone and I don't know exactly what all these files and folders are. But this worked for my sister and it has caused no problems for her on her computer (Windows 98) or her internet service so far. Other people may find they need these files for things that my sister doesn't use so you might want to research it further yourself before you edit your registry:

1) As well as uninstalling the Broadjump program from Add/Remove Programs, I also uninstalled Microsoft Connection Manager. My research indicated this program was not needed and that it is just part of this spyware. I'm not sure of that but getting rid of it has made no difference to anything on my sister's computer.

2) I browsed every folder in the registry and I deleted any files and folders that were connected with:

Microsoft Connection Manager
Broadjump
Telus Roaming Wizard

I'm also not sure exactly what the Telus Roaming Wizard is. I know it's related to this spyware but I am uncertain whether it has other uses. If it has other uses, my sister doesn't use these things. Deleting these files has made no difference to her.

3) Here are some specific places where I found suspicious files and folders:

HKEY_USERS\Default\Remote Access\Profile\TELUS Roaming Wizard

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MICROSOFT\CONNECTION MANAGER\Mappings\TELUS Roaming Wizard

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Broadjump

C:\WINDOWS\All Users\ApplicationData\Microsoft\Network\Connections\Cm\RoamWz2

C:\WINDOWS\AllUsers\ApplicationData\Microsoft\Network\Connections\Cm\Roamwz2.cmp

I deleted all of these without any consequeces for my sister's computer or her internet service and then Zone Alarm did not detect Broadjump phoning home anymore. I can't guarantee that these files and folders are not needed for other things. It's just what worked for me.

This problem was so annoying and Telus has acted in such bad faith that I have recommended to my sister that she drop Telus ADSL and go with Shaw Cable and she is going to do that. I have Shaw and I love it. It's never down. I'm happy with the speeds. The customer support has always been good in my experience but I have not needed much support with Shaw. I also recommended to her never to allow an employee of an ISP to touch her computer or install anything onto it.

Telus has not only lost my sister as a customer because of Broadjump, I am also going to go with another long distance company for my phone service and if it ever becomes available, I'll switch to another company for my local phone as well. Or maybe just go with a cell phone while we wait for the CRTC to get rid of Telus. It's worth it to me to get rid of my land phone completely just so I can get rid of Telus. I really hope they lose enough customers and spend so much time on tech support phone calls over Broadjump spyware that they will realize that this deal was not such a great investment.

Glen T
join:2003-11-03
BC

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I don't know anything about BroadJump Spyware (what did they say it was supposed to do for you anyway??) but the Telus Roaming Wizard is a very useful dialer application that contains a database of all Telus dialup access points world-wide, along with 1-800 and flat rate access.

I have a couple of clients who use it and swear by it when they are on the road. It is one thing that really sets Telus apart from Shaw - good, hassle-free dialup access when you are on the road.
George Kidd
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Hmmm....whenever I acquire/purchase a Product that comes with CD's/Software of any kind it goes into a storage bin next to the "Round File". Taking a queue from the Porn Circuit, if it's "Free" then it not only is worthless, it likely will cause you problems. Or in other words "There is no Free Lunch". This applies doubly to anything that has anything to do with Computers. Oh Well.....
jaywid
join:2003-01-08
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"I'm also not sure exactly what the Telus Roaming Wizard is. I know it's related to this spyware but I ..."

Out of that entire post that was the part that really stuck out ... I don't know what this is but it's bad, I like that reasoning.

audball
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Glen T, thanks for posting some info about the Telus Roaming Wizard. I had a suspicion it might be used for something other than Broadjump as well which is why I recommended people research it themselves before editing the registry to see if you need it. My sister does not need it. She is happy it's gone. We have the offending CD so we can always re-install it if she needs it down the road.

It would be useful if someone who knows could explain what the connection is between Broadjump and the Telus Roaming Wizard.

When I was researching this I found that other ADSL customers with other companies had found the Broadjump files hiding in a Microsoft Connection Manager folder. I didn't read anything very good about the Connection Manager. My sister is very happy to have it gone too I spoke to her tonight and she is so pleased because her computer is running much much faster. But again--perhaps you need the Connection Manager for something. We found we didn't.
Glen T
join:2003-11-03
BC

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I should mention that I never install the disk that comes with ISP software (either Telus or Shaw) on client computers. Usually, people already have their e-mail and browser set up the way that they like it, and it is much simpler to just change the e-mail server settings directly when they switching ISPs.

I have downloaded the Telus Roaming Wizard separately, from the Telus website, and installed it for two clients who travel a lot. It seems to co-habitate fine with Ad-Aware. I always let Ad-Aware delete everything it finds, so whether or not BroadJump has been removed or disabled (or even recognized by Ad-Aware) I do not know.
sjaswal
join:2003-10-01
Calgary

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I haven't used the cd for installs before, but the last setup we used the cd. It installed the broadjump s/w. I guess this post is good since it seems there are a few more things to uninstall/remove still.(I thought broadjump was uninstalled)
n_reddy
join:2003-08-17
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So is this bad for you, and what does it record and report? I'm going to go and read the AUPs and TOS again :P

audball
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It seems that Ad-aware will partly remove Broadjump. But in my sister's case it left behind some files in the registry. At that point Ad-aware no longer detected it but Zone Alarm alerted us that CFD.exe was still attempting to phone home. If you have removed Broadjump with Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel and you don't run a firewall like Zone Alarm that would alert you to it if it were still running, you'll probably at least want to check in the registry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE

for the Broadjump folder.

IMO any software that gets installed without my knowledge and then proceeds to access the internet without the my knowledge or permission is suspicious as software that invades my privacy. I don't know about you, but for me this is bad. It's software you don't need and it takes up space. Often it can slow down your browsing and can interfere with other software. One time I got Webhancer spyware and it caused so many programs to malfunction--eg, my CD burning software would take 10 minutes to open--that I had no choice but to research it until I found it and removed it. Luckily Ad-aware did find it and remove it completely. But I still found the Broadjump folder in the registry after running Ad-aware this time.

It seems that some ISP's try to pass off Broadjump as being some sort of self-help software. But my research indicates that it has the potential to allow Telus to remotely access your computer and to send personal info back to Telus. It doesn't much matter to me whether they are currently using the software for this purpose. If it has that potential, I don't want it.
Glen T
join:2003-11-03
BC

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Just for fun, I went to the Telus website and downloaded the Telus Roaming Wizard again, and installed it on my machine (XP Pro). I then searched the registry for the folder Broadjump under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE as you suggested. I didn't find any evidence of Broadjump in the registry.

Maybe only the disk version installs this software. It would appear that the Roaming wizard downloaded from the Telus website (RoamWz2.exe) does not include this Broadjump software (or does not install it under XP), and the Roaming Wizard apparently doesn't need it to operate.

chachazz
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join:2003-12-14

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I ordered the over the phone special' from Telus that they mail to the customer. My friend happened to be here at set-up time and said 'forget running their CD' he set up the connection and D-link modem in a flash! No telus programs...............

kenny19
@quebectel.qc.ca

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ha, thanks i needed that, i'm a telus employee who got a call with a customer that got a bunch of errors with CFD.exe, couldn't remove the damn thing.

this helped a bunch.
kenny19

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BTW u don't need the s/w, when u get a 10. ip address jsut go to »oca and login, click on one step registration and you're done!!

XT0RT
S3x, Drugs, War
join:2001-07-28
Edmonton, AB

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Broadjump makes software for various ISP's. I do over-the-phone support for SBC in the States and British Telecom in the UK and the browser contained on the CD's is also made by Broadjump. I am definitely aware that the Broadjump software is troublesome and customers are not obligated to run it in any way shape or form.

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to fully get rid of it start with the control panel, then regedit then delete it from the winnt temp file.