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markopoleo

join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO

Hardly and issue is correct

Interference is not a issue, if it was you would see %90 of the current electronics, and tech gadgets pulled off the shelves as well. Heck remove every microwave's from every home why don't you.

Yes it is the same thing.


bokamba
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join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA

You need to provide some data to back up your statements, considering the fact that power line and home electronics have very different amounts of current running through them. Also, very many people disagree with you to a high degree.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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said by markopoleo:
Interference is not a issue, if it was you would see %90 of the current electronics, and tech gadgets pulled off the shelves as well. Heck remove every microwave's from every home why don't you.

Yes it is the same thing.

90% of consumer electronics don't have a full wave antenna attached to them.


Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

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said by markopoleo:
Interference is not a issue, if it was you would see %90 of the current electronics, and tech gadgets pulled off the shelves as well. Heck remove every microwave's from every home why don't you.

Yes it is the same thing.

This illustrates part of the problem, Microwaves are shielded, the other devices mentioned work with 60 Hz
AC. Yes there are such things as clock crystals in computers,and crystal frequency standards in some AV equipment for their tuners but this is a very minor thing
each on a fixed frequency if a problem can be notched out.
BPL on the other hand work on a broad band of frequencies at a much higher power level.

But here is what the local power companies hear when presented with THE PITCH.

Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-MAKING MONEY-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-MAKING MORE MONEY-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-MAKING STILL MORE MONEY-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah-MONEY-MONEY-MONEY-MONEY-Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah.
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rf_engineer

join:2003-08-04
USA

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said by markopoleo:
Interference is not a issue, if it was you would see %90 of the current electronics, and tech gadgets pulled off the shelves as well. Heck remove every microwave's from every home why don't you.
How many electronic gadgets can you name that emit RF energy for many octaves at or near FCC Part 15 levels with a large, distributed antenna extending tens or hundreds of miles ?

FCC Part 15 was created to allow devices to emit an acceptable and tolerable level of incidental radio energy and not place unnecessary and costly burdens on consumer electronics designers. Such interference is typically narrowband occasional interference, not 7 x 24 blanketing of large swaths of spectrum over large geographical areas.

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Yes it is the same thing.

No, it isn't. You're way out in left field again. Your analogy just doesn't make any sense.

Ad astra

join:2004-01-13
Watertown, CT

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said by markopoleo:
Interference is not a issue, if it was you would see %90 of the current electronics, and tech gadgets pulled off the shelves as well. Heck remove every microwave's from every home why don't you.

Yes it is the same thing.

Harmful interference resulting from its unintentional emissions is the sole technical issue with BPL. Otherwise BPL would be just another wireline service that would not be drawing this sort of attention.

And yes, this is the same sort interference one must contend with from consumer electronics and tech gadgets but to a far, far greater degree.

And thinking about it, 90% of current consumer electronics having to pulled out of service because of the interference they cause may not be a such bad assessment of the present situation.

Not pulled off the shelf, since the devices are fully compliant with existing emission requirements. But that doesn't imply such devices have any chance of being operated in proximity to a sensitive receiver without generating interference.

The way the sytem works, a consumer electronics device is tested as suitable for sale; it isn't necessarily suitable for operation.

I find that I end up having to remediate 50% to 90% of the consumer electronics that I purchase (or that my neighbors do) because of the interference they cause.

The most recent case was a brand new big screen TV that I had to return to the store because there was simply no way to quiet it short of completely wrapping it in aluminum foil. But then I was that device's owner so I had the responsibility to shut it down or fix it.

I won't readily be able to do anything like that should BPL equipment be placed on the power lines that abut my property. Equipment that will be always "on" generating its interference 24/7. Equipment that has to meet even looser standards than the typical consumer junk that one finds on the store shelves.

Now why would anyone want to remove microwave ovens? They have to comply with much tighter emissions standards than your average tech toy and besides, the primary emissions of a microwave oven are confined to their own frequency allocation.

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