 RhobitePremium
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Cambridge, MA | reply to TamaraB
Re: Why not to use SPEWS Tamara, I agree 100%. It's interesting that the discussion here has focused on the evils of SPEWS, with little discussion of NAC's failure to deal with its spam problem. Not to mention, zero suggestions about how else to punish people who sell fake drugs and send porn to kids. |
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 AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
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kudos:6 | SPEWS has the right to do what it does, and others have the right to voice their discontent. Others can then decide whether they think the claims of overbearing policies are justified.
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 TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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said by Rhobite:
It's interesting that the discussion here has focused on the evils of SPEWS, with little discussion of NAC's failure to deal with its spam problem. Not to mention, zero suggestions about how else to punish people who sell fake drugs and send porn to kids.
It's called being safe comfortable, and lazy. People don't want to be bothered with having to do any work, they don't want to suffer any discomfort, risk, or inconvience, they just want the problem to go away all by itself, without any cost, without any discomfort, and without any risk.
I wonder... would this thread even have started if BBR did not appear on a level [2] listing? Now spews is an inconvience to Nil, so therefor spews is now evil. Spews was not evil last week. Why? Because there was no inconvience caused by a very effective BL last week. Why isn't NAC deemed evil? You see?
That's childish, and one of the reasons we are in the state we are currently in i'm afraid!
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On the other hand, I have actively acted against spam for years.. so you're saying my opinion on this doesn't count because it's against spews? It's not just an inconvenience for me and dslreports.. it affects Internet as a whole and helps anti-spam activists to be discounted as extremists in midst of a witch hunt.
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TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
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Give me some credit, I've ranted about draconian tactics of some blacklist for a long time now and I never agreed with this as a right way to fight spam.
Every "blacklist" is very well defined in terms of who they list and how. Every one of them, has a website, and their operations are clearly defined. Have you seen csma.biz for instance? A list of ANY spammer ip-range who have EVER sent them even one spam. Each sysadmin has the responsibility to use or not to use any list as they see fit.
For some applications a "draconian" blacklist is quite appropriate, for others it's not. Ranting against a "list" is not entirely appropriate, rant instead against it's particular use perhaps, but not the list itself. After all, it's only information, no one is forced to use a particular list.
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AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
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kudos:6 | said by TamaraB:
For some applications a "draconian" blacklist is quite appropriate, for others it's not. Ranting against a "list" is not entirely appropriate, rant instead against it's particular use perhaps, but not the list itself. After all, it's only information, no one is forced to use a particular list.
Likewise, no one is forced to listen to a particular rant. Yet you continue to chastise nil's rant.
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| A rather whiny and tired nil by now 
Anyway, it seems this discussion is just going in circles.. we each have our opinions and doesn't look like anyone will change theirs. Can we agree to disagree and move on?
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kudos:6 | Sounds good. |
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Yet you continue to chastise nil's rant.
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