Re: TiVo? Get educated! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r9177604 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:30:15 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:30:15 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9187856 Supafly :  ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9187856 Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:11:00 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9184696 Karl Bode : Thanks Supafly! That was very helpful!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9184696 Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:33:00 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9183723 Eat Me :
said by Supafly See Profile:
Hey Karl, the truth is the land-line isn't used to download guide updates on DirecTV TiVo units, it's downloaded through the sat, which is how us hackers can hack without worrying about TiVo checking our hardware. The phone line is only used for the following:

Software updates (which are a infrequent as 1-2 times a year.)
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Premium purchases, including all PPV movies, adult movies, and one-time sport shows.[/b]


The phone line was supposedly also used for DirecTV to check via ANI that all your receivers are in the same household. Whether they check or not is one of the mysteries of the universe.

My Sony SAT-T60 series 1 is hooked up to the phone line (to run elseed and YAC for onscreen caller ID), and on my vonage dashboard I see that it is dialing repeatedly to DirecTV. It dials at least ten times per day. And I've never ordered any PPV using the remote.

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On DirecTV TiVo's (Both Series 1 and 2) however, if you don't dial out the modem for more that 30 days, you'll get a nag screen once a day reminding you to do so. This is not a problem though if you are a enthusiast, as there is a script that fixes that.


Turbonet cards do work on S1 DTiVo as well as standalones. You can also hack S2's DTiVo's software to run ethernet over the USB ports using a USB to ethernet dongle.

Of course most people who would go that far would just set noupdate to false to control the release of software updates on their boxen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9183723 Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:29:15 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9183659 Eat Me :
said by GNXPower See Profile:
You can slow the baud rate of DirecTiVo's using prefixes ,#034 or ,#019 .


Doesn't work on some series 2 direcTiVo's, like the Hughes HDVR2.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9183659 Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:19:31 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9183646 Eat Me :
said by JJV See Profile:
my old sa tivo dials out fine on vonage


My Sony SAT-T60 does its calls via ethernet using a turbonet card.

My hughes HDVR2 does not, and fails when I try to use vonage, and you can't slow down the modem either using a dialing prefix (as you can do in series 1's).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9183646 Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:17:28 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9183537 GNXPower : You can slow the baud rate of DirecTiVo's using prefixes ,#034 or ,#019 .
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said by Karl Bode See Profile:
So as an educted Tivo expert, here's a question:

Can a DirecTV subscriber get the standard package, and subscribe to NFL Sunday ticket without a land-line and without modifying their hardware?
Forgot to say, "YES". :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9178815 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:32:22 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9178789 Supafly : Hey Karl, the truth is the land-line isn't used to download guide updates on DirecTV TiVo units, it's downloaded through the sat, which is how us hackers can hack without worrying about TiVo checking our hardware. The phone line is only used for the following:

Software updates (which are a infrequent as 1-2 times a year.)
or
Premium purchases, including all PPV movies, adult movies, and one-time sport shows.

Things like NFL Sunday ticket and NBA league pass are purchased through customer service phone number and are added like any other programming package. The phone line does not constantly need to be connected.

On a standalone TiVo, everything is piped through the phone line (Guide updates and subscription verification). But on standalone TiVo's (Both series 1 and 2) you can tell TiVo to download everything through the ethernet device (either internal on series 1, and external usb on series 2).

On Series 1 Standalones, you have to buy a internal nic and set your dialing prefix to ",#401" this tells the TiVo to download everything through the ethernet card.

On Series 2 Standalones, it's automatic once you setup the ethernet device.

On DirecTV TiVo's (Both Series 1 and 2) however, if you don't dial out the modem for more that 30 days, you'll get a nag screen once a day reminding you to do so. This is not a problem though if you are a enthusiast, as there is a script that fixes that.

Standalone TiVo differences:
Series 1: Internal nic must be purchased, and no official support, once it's plugged in however the drivers are already built in to the TiVo software (kinda weird).
Series 2: External USB nic needed, officially supported by TiVo for the home media option only.

DirecTV TiVo differences:
Series 1: Same as series 1 Standalone TiVo.
Series 2: USB ports for ethernet connections, and still no official support for them, you can only use them if you hack.

I don't have VoIP, but I'd thought you might like to know how the TiVo operates. :)

EDIT: Added DirecTV TiVo's series 1 and 2 differences.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9178789 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:28:47 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9178117 rchandra : DirecTV are morons for more than that reason, IMHO. Did you ever try to look something up on their Web site? It's absolutely horrendous. They're basically screaming, "Let's assume everyone operates their computer in 800x600, uses Internet Explorer, and they always have JavaScript turned on." It's so incredibly narrow-minded. I'll not be a DTV subscriber anytime soon.
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BTW, as someone already pointed out, VoIP will work for this necessary out-bound POTS communication.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9177888 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:41:03 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9177769 digiblur :
said by Karl Bode See Profile:
Well seriously, the thing has an ethernet jack, does it not? You'd think you could just network it and be done with it.

So essentially if I were moving to a new home, I'd have to order a land-line. Order DirecTV. Order Sunday Ticket via land-line. Then disconnect the land-line. Then network my Tivo and I'd be all set without any mods?


No... just call DirecTV and say "I want to order Sunday Ticket". Guess what?? They will take your money and put it on your account. A PHONE LINE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR DIRECTV. What do you think all the mobile DirecTV users do(RV'ers, etc)? They call on a cell or something and say "Hey Mrs.DirecTV lady, I want to order that PPV on channel 115."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9177769 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:25:35 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9177604 Karl Bode : Well seriously, the thing has an ethernet jack, does it not? You'd think you could just network it and be done with it.

So essentially if I were moving to a new home, I'd have to order a land-line. Order DirecTV. Order Sunday Ticket via land-line. Then disconnect the land-line. Then network my Tivo and I'd be all set without any mods?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9177604 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:04:15 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9177435 therage57 : I've had Sunday Ticket for a few years and haven't had my phone plugged in. But I just got Tivo and you have to have it plugged in to the phone to get the service. I've unplugged the phone and everything works but it will not upload software updates in this manner. You can get more details in the Tivo.com forums but my understnding is that you have to have the phone line to "order" the service but once you have it installed you can run it through your net connection. I will be working on that soon.

These companies are downright stupid! Millions are getting away from the POTS line. I wrote a letter to DirecTV awhile back basically telling them they are morons and are losing business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9177435 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:46:31 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9176540 Karl Bode : So as an educted Tivo expert, here's a question:

Can a DirecTV subscriber get the standard package, and subscribe to NFL Sunday ticket without a land-line and without modifying their hardware?

I've seen about six different answers to this question from six different people so far......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9176540 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:51:09 EDT Re: TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9176512 JJV : my old sa tivo dials out fine on vonage]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9176512 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:48:34 EDT TiVo? Get educated! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9176487 ParanoiaInc : For anyone to think that they cannot modify their TiVo unit to not use a POTS line while still access the TiVo network is just ignorant. While the standalone TiVo units do need a means to access their channel-guide network, PPP could care less about 'how' it reaches the network in question.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,9176487 Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:44:58 EDT