Penny Black > Beware

reply to b_zen

Re: Beware

said by niplet:

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do they have too much money? do they just charge to much?
or is it bc they are the king of the hill and everyone and their mother wants a crack at them and will do anything to take them down? which for one is why the majority virus and worms and trojan horses target MS specifically.

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reply to niplet
Study the things Microsoft has done, and you, too will be frightened and concerned.

Basically, anyone with any decent idea for anything in the personal computer industry, can be squashed by Gates & Co. simply including an MS version of their good idea, for free, in the next version of windows, and playing hardball with OEM's to make sure that the MS version is the ONLY version the general public is exposed to.

That's it in a nutshell. No one else has even the most remote of chances to create anything or make any kind of money or progress in this business anymore. MS has it locked up and you can't get in to make a contribution or create a company of your own.

Look at what they did to netscape. A graphical web browser is a great idea, and their should be a good market for it. People should pay for a good piece of software like that and they were willing to do so. But, all it takes is for M$ to include it for free in their monopoly OS, and force OEM's to use ONLY the MS version. POW - you're dead, netscape.

Read and study some of the things that got them in anti-trust court. You will be amazed and the cutthroat and dirty tactics used by a "knight of the realm".

Same thing with Eudora and other mail clients. Just include Outlook express for free, and thus prevent anyone from having any hope of making real money with a nice email client they have created. Same thing with RealPlayer, same thing with a couple dozen other software innovations I have personally witnessed microsoft destroy in my lifetime.

Don't forget, Microsoft used to make big noise about how the internet was a bunch of UNIX hobbyists and freaks, would never amount to anything, NetBEUI was superior to TCP/IP, etc., etc.

Once folks like myself proved there was a viable market for internet services, and there could be businesses successfully built on internet services and software, M$ rolled in and laid to waste all the pioneers of the industry by using their monopoly position on the desktop.

How does anyone have a chance when these guys have so much money flowing in from a monopoly position that all they have to do is give a product like whatever you've come up with away for free? And not only that, it is pre-installed by force (they forced manufacturers to use IE, read up on it) on every computer available to the general public.

They are criminals, there is no doubt about it, they were convicted in a court of anti-trust crimes. Yet, no effective solution has ever been enforced to break them up or wrest the industry away from these criminals.

Actually just thinking about this has me kind of depressed, I think I will go watch TV for a while.

By the way, Gates saying Google kicked their but his just him blowing smoke. He knows all they have to do is integrate a decent search technology into their operating systems and their free web browser, make it so it's the first search function users see every time they start a computer, and offer an equivalent to adwords for free or nearly free, and Google is dead. Dead just like the other great companies they have put under with their desktop monopoly. They can make their search run better than google, make it faster, make it so you can search from any word in any document, etc., etc., all because they control the internals of the operating system. Don't think they won't do whatever underhanded tricks they can come up with either.

They can claim that it's a part of the OS, the new OS won't run without it, etc., etc., just like they did with IE. Google doesn't have a chance.

reply to b_zen

said by b_zen:

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Microsoft is the king of the hill because most of us have grown up using their environment in schools, work or home computers. Having the ability to choose your favorite OS was not a choice we had.

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reply to foms

In the Blink of an Eye.

reply to youngo

Re: Beware

reply to foms
Of all of the programs you mentioned above the only one i would ever use is google, I work for one of the OEM's and you know you do have a choice of OS's to put on pc's and it is on right on the website when you go to select which pc you would like and i have had 1 call for a non MS OS pc. strangely enough the majority do not want any of the extra software ie... real player/aol(netscape) on their new pc's. now i do not care to have say WMP on my pc so i do not use it very often and have tried every multimedia player i can find and have run into stability problems with every one of them.
i do not use IE to browse the web bc it is too vulnerable, i use msn explorer bc it is the most stable and quickest on my pc other than IE, that i have used, and i have tried a lot of different browsers.
Currently working on my very own VRML browser, will post when i get it the way i want it, at least it will be my own with help from others of coarse, freeware, you have to love freeware.
Personally if i created let's say Widget Z, i should be able to put what i want in it, if it is a product that everyone likes then you know what i am going to add to it, now say company S wants to create something similiar, more power to them. I would have the right to put what i want where i want and when i want on my product and if my product becomes the most widely used say in the entire world why would i not want to constantly add to it? Especially if i add my own version of the latest fad that is currently spreading around, now if my new version of my new widget works seamlessly with my patented Widget Z, and i make more money than anyone else and i can buy the newest knockoff bc people like it, then so be it.

I personally think it has more to do with how much money Bill Gates has more so than the software that MS has loaded on their OS. I appluad Bill Gates and MS and i think they need to make more money, very similiar to a doctor that saves, say your life, they might be paid say $150,000 for their services but is that all you would be worth no, and what MS has brought to the world and the contribution they have given to help fight diseases, oh by the way, the research for these diseases would not and probably could not be possible without MS and his mission.
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reply to b_zen
I really do not have resentment towards Microsoft.

Costly and unreliable? Costly depends on how you think about it. 80% (Not sure on the numbers) of the OSs used are Microsoft products. If it was too costly no one would buy it, they would go with the other OSs. Point being that Microsoft makes an OS that apparently is worth the money.

I did not grow up using Microsoft products in school, I grew up using Apple products in school. (How old are you?) The only people that I think grew up with PCs in the school (with Windows) are the latest generation and even still most of the schools I have seen are using Apple. People grew up using number 2 pencils for everything in school but the majority of adults do not use number 2 pencils for there work.

People still have a choice. I do use Windows on my PC but I also have a Unix PC (FreeBSD). Fact is most of my software will not run in a GUI environment on *NIX OSs. People can choose other OSs, including Apple or *NIX but they don't.

Microsoft cannot/will not solve spam, not alone. Making Windows wait wile sending is software on the PC which just means a spammer would not use a PC with that OS on it (which many do not anyway). A server side solution is where it is at with worldwide acceptance of a standard. Most mail servers are not Windows products. SPF is a good example and a good start. Bill Gates is talking out his *ss and does not have a solution to spam. The initial idea he put out is way wrong on the solution, he assumes his OS is king and the only thing people use/have to use.

reply to niplet
Wow. What a long screed that totally missed the point. I worked for a company that had its product line destroyed by MS due to just what the previous poster suggested; they added a "free" version to their server OS at the same time they crippled their non-server OS. Suddenly, we had to compete with free, which is a bit tougher than you seem to think.

They were found guilty of anti-trust violations and I strongly suggest you read the history of those laws to understand why they exist. Here is a big hint: It isn't because people were envious of the wealth of the robber barons.

I fear what MS does because I know that they will do what they think is best for them and with a monopoly position in an industry that affects me daily, that will affect me.

I have no guarantee that anything they do will benefit me.

You may envy and aspire to Bill Gate's wealth but it is part and parcel of a monopoly that you cannot achieve it. He beat you to it and because he has a monopoly, no one else gets to play.

reply to youngo

said by youngo:

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sounds like, "the resolution and frame rate of tv's are king of the hill because msot of us have grown up using the settings. Having the ability to choose 1600x1200 @ 120fps was not a choice we had."

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said by RayW:

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said by youngo:

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sounds like, "the resolution and frame rate of tv's are king of the hill because msot of us have grown up using the settings. Having the ability to choose 1600x1200 @ 120fps was not a choice we had."

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When I was working for General Dynamics in Fort Worth, Texas back around 1993, we used a new program called Microsoft Mail (I think that was the name). It worked fine in small companies, but not for our 25000 person company.

For over 6 months we kept getting promises that the fix was coming to let us use this powerful tool the way the spec said it could be used. One day the manager for computer support got on the phone with a manager from microsoft (after plowing through the peons) and was told that we were not getting our promised upgrade because the programmers were pulled for the kill Netscape project (a paraphrase, but close enough to what I personally heard).

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reply to keyboard5684
I think you are misunderstanding the way that penny black works, the mail won't be delivered unless the logic problem is solved. It doesn't matter what OS the sending computer is using, the logic problem will still need to be solved.

The CPU usage system was initially proposed by people outside of Microsoft. (read the penny black link in the article for details)

I saw a proposed implementation of this while watching the 2004 (anti-)spam conference at MIT. It doesn't seem like this is practical. Moore's law of computing power is one problem (sort of), mailing lists is another. Could you just imagine how long it would take to send out notifications of an available security patch? How many thousands or millions of recipients are there on the typical watch list like that? It would be time for the next OS release by the time the last recipient got the notice for the first update.
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The way I read the description of the system led me to believe that the end user can make a list of safe people to receive email from. The people on the safe list do not get a "here is a problem for you to solve" type response.

reply to rshoch

Re: In the Blink of an Eye.