| | Let's look at the differences.... There will always be this cable vs. DSl war but why?
1) DSL is distance sensitive while cable has a much farther reach. You are over a certain distance from the CO, DSL won't be as fast as cable (in most places.)
2) Cable had a head start in deployment while the baby bells still cry about line sharing.
3) Cable is, for the most part, easier to install. Connect modem to cable line. DSL requires filters in most cases.
4) DSL does have a greater variety of ISP's than cable.
This is by far no where near a complete list.
I have said it many many times. If the bells had deployed DSL with thought and a commitment to make it work, they would have a goo hold on the technology. However, they chose to "hope" people would come to them.
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Waldwick, NJ | Re: Let's look at the differences.... #5 is not true. I guess if a provider doesn't keep up with demand it could be true, but I've seen issues with DSL when the CO is out of bandwidth. Same thing. Just a bad myth you all want to believe.
#6 Cable is no more location specific then DSL. You need your DSL modem close to a phone jack. How is it any different?
#7 99% of cable provides faster speeds then typical 1500/128 DSL. I, as a matter of fact, have a 10mb down / 1 mb up cap and get speeds of 8500kb/900kb constantly. All that for $44.95/mo. That's 5.5x faster down and 7x faster up. Where are YOU getting your info from?
#8 You need no filters on your TV. You DO need filters on all your phones when you have DSL. Again, you've got it backwards.
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kudos:4 | Re: Let's look at the differences.... said by GeekNJ:
I, as a matter of fact, have a 10mb down / 1 mb up cap and get speeds of 8500kb/900kb constantly. All that for $44.95/mo. That's 5.5x faster down and 7x faster up. Where are YOU getting your info from?
Yeah but DSL doesnt take 85% of your upload away for uploading and some of the people on OOL arent abusing but getting capped anyway.
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Waldwick, NJ | Re: Let's look at the differences.... And at 150k it's still faster then we could get with Verizon. I guess if we only had 128k they wouldn't care if we used it all since they don't care if you sustain 150k! | |
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West Bend, WI | Re: Let's look at the differences.... Boy i wish i could get cable speeds like you guys/gals are talking about.The fastest they offer around here (on a brand new network no less) is 1.5/128 And the prices are outrageous compared to the dsl prices. the dsl line i just ordered is 99$ a month for a 3mb/768 +10$ for 5 static ips (somthing cable dont even offer in my area). So I say dsl all the way until the fiber rolls around. which by me should be this year. I live next to a huge industrial park with a bunch of new hightech compnaies going in. They were talking about it in the newspaper here how this area will be the first to recieve fiber lines for home consumers.They have been laying lines in the ground for 6 months now.Digging up the damn neighborhood.Hopefully it will be reality and not a friggen smoke screen. | |
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#8 You need no filters on your TV. You DO need filters on all your phones when you have DSL. Again, you've got it backwards.
'Fraid not - he is correct. Albeit you won't need the filter *on* your TV, you will need it on the inside CATV connection then split; one to the CATV modem and the other to the DCATV box, or coax connector to your set.
Every home I've been to, has a 'bullet' on it, then to the splitter then to the device(s). | |
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Springfield, IL | Re: Let's look at the differences.... said by KnightSky:
'Fraid not - he is correct. Albeit you won't need the filter *on* your TV, you will need it on the inside CATV connection then split;
Yeah but the cable guy does it for you when you sign up. With DSL they UPS the equipment to you and let you do it yourself.
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Oklahoma City, OK | Re: Let's look at the differences.... quote:
Yeah but the cable guy does it for you when you sign up. With DSL they UPS the equipment to you and let you do it yourself.
True if you decide to do it yourself. Most ILEC's will install the necessary equipment for you as well if choose to do so.
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Waldwick, NJ | I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but I've never heard of putting filters on cable TV's when you get cable modem service. I've had cable modem service for 3 years and setup many friends and family on different systems and never ever done anything beyond connecting the cable to the modem.
When I got DSL, I was also given filters that need to go on every non-DSL line in the house.
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1 edit | Where are these cable filters? said by GeekNJ:
I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but I've never heard of putting filters on cable TV's when you get cable modem service.
I'm with GeekNJ  there should be no reason whatsoever to have a filters on your cable line when receiving cable internet or digital cable. Optimum Online allows self installs as well, they actually prefer it.
»www.optimumonline.com/index.jhtm···=install
What cable system do you know of that requires filters? I am interested to see why they need them. Now if a customer was just paying for cable internet and did not want cable TV they would/could filter out the TV signal.
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Waldwick, NJ | Re: Where are these cable filters? said by Optimized:
Now if a customer was just paying for cable internet and did not want cable TV they would/could filter out the TV signal.
Ah... is this what they might be referring to? If it is, I guess that would be better then DSL which I think, at least in our area, requires you to have service with Verizon in order to get DSL in the first place. DSLs restriction seems a lot worse then having a trap put on a line so you can't steal cable TV.
Of course, if these fellows that are posting are not referring to a video trap and referring to something put on each set, like Optimized, I've never heard of such a thing.
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Springfield, IL | said by Optimized:
Now if a customer was just paying for cable internet and did not want cable TV they would/could filter out the TV signal.
Exactly the reason why I receive more channels than I pay for. The installer made the comment that he had to remove a filter from my cable line to allow cable internet which therefore allows more channels than I paid for when I just had cable tv. He said he could put a filter on the cable going into my TV set but he said "you could just take it off when I leave" so he didn't bother. Kinda OT, but thought I would clear things up.
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Broomfield, CO | Re: Let's look at the differences.... said by GeekNJ:
When I got DSL, I was also given filters that need to go on every non-DSL line in the house.
You are Incorrect on that. Every CPE (Customer Premise Equipment) Phones, fax, etc. need to have a filter if they are plugged into a jack that is tied down for the telephone number that the DSL is provisioned too. If you have a second line, you do not need filters on those jacks. The only reason to have the filters on the line with DSL is to "FILTER" out the frequency that the DSL comes through the line.
Does not seem logical to put filters on a non-DSL line.
As far as the filters for Cable TV's. From my recolection, as I sit here and look at the jack that my Cable TV tuner is connected too, there is a "Bullet" type filter. So yes, usualy the cable guy will install the filter on the jack for the TV/Tuner, but usualy puts it on the Splitter where they run the line into the house. I have not tested the Cable without it, and to be frank, I really dont want too.
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| Re: Let's look at the differences.... said by kalphearion:
From my recolection, as I sit here and look at the jack that my Cable TV tuner is connected too, there is a "Bullet" type filter. So yes, usualy the cable guy will install the filter on the jack for the TV/Tuner, but usualy puts it on the Splitter where they run the line into the house. I have not tested the Cable without it, and to be frank, I really dont want too.
From my experiences those bullet type filters are usually used to filter video in or out and are not related to the cable internet frequency. I had one many years ago that tuned in one channel, I think it was Starz.
If you remove the filter you will likely lose or gain video reception of some sort. That would happen regardless of whether you had a cable modem on the line ...
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1 edit | Re: Let's look at the differences.... I paid 39.99 for 384/128k earthlink dsl (lol), now I have 1800/256 soon 3mb cable for 43 dollars | |
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Waldwick, NJ | Not sure how I'm incorrect - you agreed with me on putting filters at jacks when you have DSL.
As for a filter for cable, none is needed at each set nor is a filter, specific to a cable modem, needed anywhere at all.
Seems like more DSL vs Cable myths someone is trying to proliferate.
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Broomfield, CO | Re: Let's look at the differences.... said by GeekNJ:
Not sure how I'm incorrect - you agreed with me on putting filters at jacks when you have DSL.
I must have mis-read your post then, not trying to slam you or anything, but I read that they sent you filters to put on every non-DSL jack...
I apologize if I mis-lead my post that way.
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said by GeekNJ:
#8 You need no filters on your TV. You DO need filters on all your phones when you have DSL. Again, you've got it backwards.
'Fraid not - he is correct. Albeit you won't need the filter *on* your TV, you will need it on the inside CATV connection then split; one to the CATV modem and the other to the DCATV box, or coax connector to your set.
Every home I've been to, has a 'bullet' on it, then to the splitter then to the device(s).
Then mine must be the exception cause I live in an aprtment and my signal for both TV and modem come from the same coax (only one outlet) and a splitter with NO OTHER FILTERS. | |
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kudos:3 | The only time that a filter/trap is put on a CATV/MODEM line is:
1. You only have one or the other. The filter/trap will either block the CATV signal or block the US on the MODEM so it cannot sync.
2. You have CATV, but do not pay for all the channels. The CATV company will put a notch filter on the line to block those pay channels that you are not paying for. With addressable CATV boxes, it really is no longer needed.
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The filter/trap is usually placed on the tap. Not behind a TV.
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