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join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA | I am sure Verizon will run out and invest (not) in my area so we can get DSL. I have adelphia cable. The service is good but expensive at 55.00 a month. So I really don't have a good alternative to cable. They charge a fortune for 2 pieces of noisy copper. |
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 shollingPremium
join:2002-02-13
Hemet, CA
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| Verizon insists on having the highest price for local, long distance, and DSL of any local phone company in California. They get away with it because they refuse to open up the local loop to MCI and AT&T etc.
I just wish They'd get off their butts and let their customers enjoy 6MB speed for under $60/month...
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 GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | Even if they're the highest, $29.95-$34.95 for DSL is not unreasonable. SBC is cheap, just damn cheap, but compared to cable...at least Comcrap...Verizon is way cheaper.
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by GNXPower:
SBC is cheap, just damn cheap, but compared to cable...at least Comcrap...Verizon is way cheaper.
Does that include the $15-$30 you have to pay for the telegraph line that you have to have? Once you add in the cost for that, the prices for DSL and a cable modem are comparable.
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 AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | said by pnh102:
said by GNXPower:
SBC is cheap, just damn cheap, but compared to cable...at least Comcrap...Verizon is way cheaper.
Does that include the $15-$30 you have to pay for the telegraph line that you have to have? Once you add in the cost for that, the prices for DSL and a cable modem are comparable.
Not sure about Comcast, but most cable companies require basic cable service (or else pay a fee to go without).
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GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
1 edit | Comcast in addition to costing more to begin with, has a 30% penalty if you don't have CATV...amounting to $60/mo for their basic HSI service. Add to that, in my case anyway, $15 more for usenet access since Comcast capped their news at 1GB/mo pushing monthly expeditures to $75+/mo. With Verizon, I get decent retention and completion included with service...plus free McAfee anti-virus, McAfee personal firewall, MSN9 (and their premium services) and reliable mail...oh, and unlike Comcast...a free modem....and the voice line which has proven to be much more reliable than Vonage as of late.
POTS or not...VoL is WAY cheaper than Comcast...in my case, 1/2 the cost.
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GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
2 edits | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:
said by GNXPower:
SBC is cheap, just damn cheap, but compared to cable...at least Comcrap...Verizon is way cheaper.
Does that include the $15-$30 you have to pay for the telegraph line that you have to have? Once you add in the cost for that, the prices for DSL and a cable modem are comparable.
Phone line, at least here in VZ land, is $18 including tax...and you get the use of voice line. So $48 for DSL with POTS vs $60 (non-CATV sub rate) for Comcast...plus you still need voice service whether it's Vonage for $25+ junk fees, cellular or POTS. And then you get no freebees with Comcast compared to VoL.
I used to be a Comcast junkie...I really liked them. But price increase after price increase (13% last year, 5% more this Feb) has really turned me off to their HDCATV service. Without that CATV so-called discount I'm looking at $75/mo for HSI plus my news account. No way, not when for $30 I get basically the same thing and I need POTS anyway since Vonage wasn't very reliable for me and my old dual WAN setup.
Then you look at DSL competitors like SBC...$27/mo DSL, $43 unlimited voice, and 6Mb DSL coming at reasonable prices, discounted DBS. IMHO, Comcast doesn't even compare...not any more. Surewest, OOL maybe, only because of the sheer speed, but not mediocre Comcast with their crap news caps, unreliable mail...especially the domain of the week crap, and high price. TW, okay maybe, because of content provider choice. Comcast?!? Nope.
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ANY CLEC can become a DSL company. Shit you can just by buying DSLAMS and having them connected to the local loop at your CO. And MCI is a CLEC and offers DSL through a partnership with COVAD and New Edge Networks. Which is also a COVAD partner. NEN also ownes their own DSLAMS as COVAD. check the MCI website for DSL in your area. |
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join:2002-04-30
Oklahoma City, OK | said by hottboiinnnc:
Shit you can just by buying DSLAMS and having them connected to the local loop at your CO.
Have you seen the prices for DSLAMs? The bays themselves aren't too costly but by the time you fill the slots with cards it gets very costly. Don't forget the reoccurring monthly charge for collocation space and transport service to the local loop. OC3's aren't cheap.
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| Yes I have seen the prices of DSALMS. Most of the CLECS that are nationwide can afford to pay for them and the OC3s and greater. MCI and ATT both purchased DSL companies and instead of keeping them open they closed them. Now they are buying their DSL networks from other companies such as COVAD the same as SBC does from COVAD in some cities. Yes SBC buys from COVAD. Check the COVAD Website for their Partners.
Also if anyone wishes to compete with any LEC with DSL they can all WHOLESALE from other companies such as Covad and New Edge Networks. So CLECS need to stop crying and just start offering services. If they cant compete they shouldn't be in the business at all. |
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AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | said by hottboiinnnc:
Yes I have seen the prices of DSALMS. Most of the CLECS that are nationwide can afford to pay for them and the OC3s and greater. MCI and ATT both purchased DSL companies and instead of keeping them open they closed them. Now they are buying their DSL networks from other companies such as COVAD the same as SBC does from COVAD in some cities. Yes SBC buys from COVAD. Check the COVAD Website for their Partners.
SBC resells Covad's ISDN service.
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Also if anyone wishes to compete with any LEC with DSL they can all WHOLESALE from other companies such as Covad and New Edge Networks. So CLECS need to stop crying and just start offering services. If they cant compete they shouldn't be in the business at all.
Competition is easy when you can use your competitor's phone lines. 
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join:2000-11-15
Pleasantville, NY | reply to sholling
I was one of the first to get Verizon dsl 4 years ago,and suffered misery and Winpoet woes.
Even after I upgraded to their faster package it still was the pits,then I tried Earthlink,still misery for any online FPS.
As soon as OOL became available I grabbed it for $40,never looked back and nothing will ever get me back to telcos.
Actually I'm looking to get rid of their land-line phone service too, since Verizon does not deserve the amounts it charges here in NY.
Only the VZ wireless has an edge (coverage) but this is eroding too.
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