Ya but its frustrating to see that the first hop is more than all the other hops in the route combined. I can get to another server in 65ms and 10 hops and 42ms of that is my first hop. It just seems wrong but if that is how it works. That is how it works. Most the people I talk to are in that 8 to 14ms first hop and all of them are under 20ms. Which makes me wonder if there are other issues besides my distance from the CO. Most importantly can there be other issues? Lines? frequency? That is mostly what I am looking for.