djrobsd
join:2002-01-24
San Diego, CA Reviews:
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| overseas workers suck Well, I guess I won't be refinancing any of my auto loans with Eloan any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such a shame too, because the last time I refinanced with them, they gave me such great service, and 100% of the time I was dealing with a US employee in California. Guess things have changed since I last did business with them.
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rockjock
join:2003-10-14
Salt Lake City, UT
1 edit | said by djrobsd:
Well, I guess I won't be refinancing any of my auto loans with Eloan any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such a shame too, because the last time I refinanced with them, they gave me such great service, and 100% of the time I was dealing with a US employee in California. Guess things have changed since I last did business with them.
NO MORE.
I love these shameless hypocrites. Well, I guess you better not buy anymore designer clothing, or electronic products, or automobiles, or just about anything! Guess What!!! Over 90% of what you buy has a tag on it that says: Made in the [NOT USA]
There's nothing wrong with having a global economy. Do you even realize how many foreign corporations have operations in America that employ *GASP* American workers?? Get used to it and adjust or go get in line for your next unemployment check.
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 DaveDudeNo Fear
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| What is wrong is slave labor. I am sure they are paid the minumin they can get away. So if your for exploitation they use these companies. Because there is no union in india..
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rockjock
join:2003-10-14
Salt Lake City, UT
1 edit | I think they are paying what the market will bear. By American standards it may be considered slave labor, but consider the economy that they're working in. In [insert developing country of choice]'s economy, $2/hr is likely a gratuitous wage. Is it exploitation if the laborer is making enough money to put a roof over his head when he wouldn't be able to otherwise?
I'm no economics professor, but doesn't every developing economy have to start somewhere? When the industrial revolution happened, did laboring Americans immediately start making $20/hr? I think it was a gradual process that every developing country has to endure.
I'm not pro-exploitation by any means, but I am pro-capitalism.
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p.s. - not all labor unions can be characterized as such, but sometimes it is the union who exploits the employer by demanding outrageously high pay rates and near-prohibitive benefits. As if the laborer is owed these things simply by his mere existence. And people wonder why corporations are moving overseas, where people are happy to just have the chance to work.
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said by djrobsd:
Well, I guess I won't be refinancing any of my auto loans with Eloan any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just out of curiosity, what is the make/model of your car? |
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said by rockjock:
I love these shameless hypocrites. Well, I guess you better not buy anymore designer clothing, or electronic products, or automobiles, or just about anything! Guess What!!! Over 90% of what you buy has a tag on it that says: Made in the [NOT USA]
Ah yes, my favorite argument. The I.T. jobs leaving America is our generations stand. The previous generations failed in keeping jobs in America, that's why everything is made [Put your favorite 'developing country' here]. However, it's always nice having clowns like you around.
said by rockjock:
There's nothing wrong with having a global economy.
Sure; I guess there's nothing wrong with not being an American patriot.
said by rockjock:
Do you even realize how many foreign corporations have operations in America that employ *GASP* American workers??
America has the best I.T. professionals. (Or in a bigger generic classification, "internet folk.") Guess what, if we export all the American I.T. jobs guess who has the best I.T. people? You guessed it, India.
Why would any foreign company pay for more expensive labor when they can go straight to the professionals for 50 rupees an hour?
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Get used to it and adjust or go get in line for your next unemployment check.
I guess you're doing what I'm doing:
Moving to India where all the jobs are.
I'm interested in hearing what you do for a living?
Once I find out, I'll charge 500 rupees to figure out a way to oursource your job. |
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 LegoPower77AbecedarianPremium
join:2002-08-03
Midlothian, VA | reply to DaveDude
There is no exploitation. An article that explores why. |
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rockjock
join:2003-10-14
Salt Lake City, UT | Exactly my point. Thanks for the article. |
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rockjock
join:2003-10-14
Salt Lake City, UT | reply to namespace
The sole intent of my post was to point out the hypocrisy of djrobsd's statements. My sarcasm was apparently lost on you.
My job is a bit safer than most laborers' because I work as a professional in the service sector. |
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As if the laborer is owed these things simply by his mere existence. And people wonder why corporations are moving overseas, where people are happy to just have the chance to work.
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Um. Youre saying that the workers should be grateful to the employer for the opportunity to do all the work while the employers make the lions share of the money? Im afraid that without workers there would be NO business. Far too long have people accepted that its ok for a handful of people to exploit the many. They call it "profit" but in reality its exploitation.
Yeah those people overseas are overjoyed to work. Thing is, these corporations are using the US to get started, and market to (a lot of the times recieving federal aid) then giving the middle finger to the workers and cuts their jobs to hire someone in another country for far inferior wages. To them, yes its good money. But do you think we ( the consumer) will recieve cheaper prices? No. The capitalists will pocket the money and build another mansion while their old workers who got them to this point starve and try to find more work.
Its the chase for more, more, more and more money. The problem with Capitalism is that its a ravenous beast, always hungry. And it has no loyalties except to its own hunger and can always be expected to do what it takes to fill its gullet with more money.
The people who own these corporations and the shareholders (the big players, not the jerk with 10 shares) are wealthy to begin with. They, and their families have nothing to fear from outsourcing jobs. They want only more profit, and will claw, gouge, trick, cheat and steal for more of it. They have sucked the american workforce for as much as they could and dumped them the second they could get a cheaper workforce. Oh but they are quite willing to sell to us. That they are extremely loyal about.
An economic model that rewards the few for stripping all they can from the many and holding no loyalty to those many is flawed and an error. Our government, being capitalist themselves will do NOTHING to stop this. If they do, it will be miminal and likely ineffectual. They, too are being cut a share of the pie too. The only people affected by this, are the american workers. Far too long have they been exploited. I believe we are considerably overdue for a revolution. |
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| OK, Capitalism is a ravenous beast.
Now that we are talking Revolution, what utopian altruistic form of government do you purpose? |
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djrobsd
join:2002-01-24
San Diego, CA Reviews:
·Cox HSI
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Rockjock, you got a real attitude problem dude. You obviously have a cushy job and think you're immune to all this outsourcing (you even mentioned it in a follow up post). So of course, you could care less what happens to the rest of the workers because your job is "Secure". That's exactly the kind of attitude that I hate, and people like you need to move to India and get the hell out of our country.
You tell me to "Get used to it and adjust or go get in line for your next unemployment check"... Well, you see that's exactly the problem, if people don't fight back, then we will all be waiting in line for unemployment checks. Or working in retail making $8 bucks an hour putting up with a bunch of irate customers who hate the companies we might work for.
For the record, yes, pretty much everything in my house was not made in America. There isn't anything that I can do about that, unless I don't want to watch TV, use a computer, or wear clothes to work. However, whenever I can, if I do have a choice, I will choose a company that respects their employees and values the contributions they make to the company, rather then choosing a company who outsources their customer service and IT jobs to another country.
I drive a Ford Escape to answer the person's question about what car I drive. I'm sure most of the parts were probably made overseas, but at least the car itself was assembled by American workers in Kansas City, MO. |
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ddaPremium
join:2003-12-29
Bolton, MA | reply to sherpaboy
Benevolent dictatorship, with me in charge. I should have thought that would be obvious! |
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