 MxxCon
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Brooklyn, NY | anti-piracy vigilante the wrong way check out »www.freewebs.com/operationdustbunny/
these 2 anti-piracy vigilante created spyware/malware, spread it on p2p networks with fake filenames and when somebody runs it, software phones home to record ip, file name, time/date, god knows what else
software comes without any privacy policy or license or any warning..
these 2 morons are in a lot of legal trouble...
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They are in legal trouble? Why?
Did you even read the article before posting it? |
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 exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium
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Is this legal? We believe so.
I don't think it is.
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We created a program in C# that would pop-up a message scolding the user. When the program closes, it would "phone home" to our servers, giving us the file name, how long the program ran (run time), and their IP address. We entered the information we collected into a database.
That would be entrapment. entrapment, in law, the instigation of a crime in the attempt to obtain cause for a criminal prosecution
What they were doing was creating a program, changing its name to a common name recognized by many to be a legitimate file, posting it for others to download, then stealing the user's information after the said user ran the program.
They said it themselves: "giving us the file name, how long the program ran (run time), and their IP address."
In the end, the said user of the program, unbeknownst to them was running a program said to be legitimate when, in fact it was not, allowing the program to report back to its "home" the information of the said user.
Heres an analogy: You call yourself "Microsoft," (or whatever company you want to be). You sale "Microsoft" products (when they aren't). Users of your product, thinking you are the real Microsoft, have their information stolen from you with your "Microsoft" labeled product. You then report them to the real microsoft saying that "Person A" bought and used illegal software.
Its also conspiracy. conspiracy, in law, agreement of two or more persons to commit a criminal or otherwise unlawful act. The two or more person's are known by their website as "(Justin and Clif)".
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MxxCon
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yes, i read the article
because this isn't the way to go about fighting software piracy
because if their software causes any data corruption you can easily sue their asses off
they infiltrate your computer under false pretenses
their software might contain backdoor payload. just because their site says they don't, doesn't mean it's true.
they record (what some might consider) private data without warning you
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One problem...
This software is free software. Downloading the software that calls you a bad pirate is not illegal.
Merely downloading something is also not enough proof for piracy.  You also have to prove the downloader didn't own it.
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I disagree with these people because this file not only catches pirates, but it also masquerades as legitimate download-able files, the content you might disagree with, but these are NOT illegal downloads:
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paris hilton sex video 2.mpeg.exe
Griffin Clifton is a fag.exe
These could easily be Kitchen Recipies.txt.exe, and when my mom executes it, her IP gets added to the database? These people should be prosecuted.
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MxxCon
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here is him bragging about the project 
»blogzine.net/
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exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium
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said by Ctrl Alt Del:
I disagree with these people because this file not only catches pirates, but it also masquerades as legitimate download-able files,
The basis for my entire argument...
You think along the same lines as me, and any other person with common sense
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 keith2468Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB | reply to MxxCon
I do not think Clifton and Justin understand what piracy is.
It is not piracy to download and install an uncopyrighted unpatented program that is freely made available by its authors.
And this is true no matter what filename the program is given.
That said, as a programmer myself, I have to support the idea that people should be paid for their work when they have asked up front to be paid. So I'm against theft of the fruits of a programmers work.
On the flip side, from what I read on their web page, yes there is no privacy agreement, so people who install these tracker programs are not justified in compaining about the programs broadcasting their IP address, operating system, or other common information.
If you install something and the author or distributer of the program hasn't said what it is, they haven't mislead you about what it is. So long as their doesn't cause damage (like with a virus or trojan) I think it would be a very very tough case to prove these guys were sufficient harm for a civil lawsuit, and without a crime, like theft of services, there is no chance of a successful criminal prosecution.
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said by MxxCon:
here is him bragging about the project
»blogzine.net/
Thanks for the link, because now I know the name of the guy, Cliff Griffin (or something similar), and guess what one of the download-able files is... quote:
Griffin Clifton is a fag.exe
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said by MxxCon:
these 2 morons are in a lot of legal trouble...
Just because you downloaded the file while searching for illegal files doesn't mean this program is illegal.
said by exocet_cm:
That would be entrapment. entrapment, in law, the instigation of a crime in the attempt to obtain cause for a criminal prosecution
Nope, no one has been reported.
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then stealing the user's information after the said user ran the program. They said it themselves
Stealing? Nope. Except for the PID, all of the other information can be logged by anyone. Every time you search on Gnutella, people know what you searched for and your IP. Every time you download, they know the filename and the IP.
said by sivran:
One problem...
This software is free software. Downloading the software that calls you a bad pirate is not illegal.
Merely downloading something is also not enough proof for piracy. You also have to prove the downloader didn't own it.
We aren't trying to prove anyone is pirating. We were purely looking for what people pirate and how files propagate on Gnutella.
said by Ctrl Alt Del:
Thanks for the link, because now I know the name of the guy, Cliff Griffin (or something similar), and guess what one of the download-able files is...
No, that's one of the pirates faking an entry. Doesn't take much more then a hex editor or a packet sniffer. You can even tell that the person who submitted that wasn't too smart, other entries from that user had the original data in it: the %s and %d.
Anyone else?
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No, that's one of the pirates faking an entry. Doesn't take much more then a hex editor or a packet sniffer. You can even tell that the person who submitted that wasn't too smart, other entries from that user had the original data in it: the %s and %d.
That wasn't my point, my point was, some people purposely put a "You are gay" phone home message for the creator to see in his logs, and this I thought was rather funny (and childish in it's method).
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said by NeenerNeener:
No, that's one of the pirates faking an entry. Doesn't take much more then a hex editor or a packet sniffer. You can even tell that the person who submitted that wasn't too smart, other entries from that user had the original data in it: the %s and %d.
That wasn't my point, my point was, some people purposely put a "You are gay" phone home message for the creator to see in his logs, and this I thought was rather funny (and childish in it's method).
That's not what you said. You said "guess what one of the download-able files is..."
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I don't know what dream world you people live in but, I didn't see any legitimate software titles in that list of file names.
Do you really believe a keygen is a legitimate piece of software and that you have a right for that keygen to be what you thought it was?
The Paris Hilton sex video is a copyrighted work and is not a legitimate free file just because it's widely available. And if you're stupid enough to download a 470KB video with an .exe file extension you deserve what you get.
I have no idea what Griffin Clifton is a fag.exe is but if someone is willing to explain what the legitimate free download of this file is, I'm willing to listen. |
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said by NeenerNeener:
That's not what you said. You said "guess what one of the download-able files is..."
That is what I said, and what I was trying to imply/point out, is that someone replied with a "You are gay" response to the creator.
It's real easy. You create this program and send it out. Bob picks it up, does something to it, and makes it reply to it's creator with "You are gay".
I was guessing the file name said the "You are gay" part, but even if it isn't, I still thought it was slightly funny that someone made the program trash talk it's creator.
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MxxCon
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ah, so you are Justin XB, the 2nd culprit of this malware
good to know and have the record of it.
how do you know that i downloaded "illegal files"? how do you know that i downloaded anything?
your malware indiscriminately phone home every time it's ran.
you display and record that data without user's authorization.
if i rename your malware to contain for example windows xp cd key, YOU WILL BE SOFTWARE PIRATE because you will be in possesion of and distributing copyrighted material to which you have no right.
that software submit data to »walktheplank.ath.cx
when you go to »walktheplank.ath.cx/dustbunny/add.php it will redirect to a really nasty porn site
however that software submit data in this format
/dustbunny/dust.php?program=%s&time=%d&pid=%d HTTP/1.1
Host: walktheplank.ath.cx
User-Agent: Dust Bunny
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exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium
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The »www.freewebs.com/operationdustbunny/ page is updated with comments and replies to our most pressing concerns on this topic
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YOU WILL BE SOFTWARE PIRATE because you will be in possesion of and distributing copyrighted material to which you have no right.
I think MxxCon  has a point...you even logged everything too...
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The »www.freewebs.com/operationdustbunny/ page is updated with comments and replies to our most pressing concerns on this topic
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Can also ask me directly right here, for I am Justin of the pair.
Hi.
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And so am I. |
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ghost16825Use security metricsPremium
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