 MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY | reply to Wills
Re: anti-piracy vigilante the wrong way how is this entry justified to be there? »walktheplank.ath.cx/dustbunny/lo···pid=3490
how is having miranda.exe a software piracy?
or how about this one »walktheplank.ath.cx/dustbunny/lo···pid=3491
if that number was real, they would be breaking copyright laws they seem to so strongly motivated to protect.
on that link alone they could be software pirates, distributing copyrighted material.
even if they will disable public access to that database, they will still be in possession of illegal copyrighted material
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | reply to MxxCon
LMAO! Thanks, I just plastered this...
Griffin, Clifton clifgriffin@jsventures.com Blogzine 503 Piedmont St. Reidsville, North Carolina 27320 United States 3364327174
and his ip is
Name: gso31-106-207.triad.rr.com
Address: 24.31.106.207
on several "choice" sites, with a brief explaination(sp) of who and what.
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | reply to MxxCon
I am not advocating either side however there are a couple of points that make what they are doing illegal.
1) The first ever virus did nothing but flash a message "Hello, my name is digger. Catch me if you can." This program has a popup that you have to close.
2) It has propagation scheme built in (through Gnutella). Yes it cannot self duplicate and infect (which is not a requrement to be a virus), however it uses a popular medium to redistribute itself, which makes it a worm.
3) "Operation dust bunny" rewrites itself, which translates into mutates which qualifies it as a virus once again.
4) And the biggest thing, the popup (the screen shot on their own website) declares that "Your secret is safe with me", which ultimately removes their "right" (if such existed) to post anything on their web site.
On the off note, if everyone was paying attention to what they are doing and had firewalls installed, these two brainiacs with no programming skills (their words, from their web site) would not be able to do anything at all. |
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said by MxxCon:
said by NeenerNeener:
It's possible you downloaded after Clif posted the results on Neowin. Judging from your attitude and blatant lying on Neowin, I doubt it.
what's my attitude? and what blatant lying are you talking about?
You come off very immature and angry about this.
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said by NeenerNeener:
Yes, a hex editor was used to get that data.
nope, no hex editor was used. and why are you so sure? are you saying your malware also uploads process list?
It does not, it's easy to see that it doesn't. However, you view the decoy URL embedded in the program that can only be found when people view it with a hex editor, notepad, strings, or like programs.
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said by NeenerNeener:
I don't know why I reply to your obviously immature and unintelligent replies.
don't like it when majority of people don't approve of your spyware/malware practices
I'd say the majority of the people on the Internet pirate software, movies, and/or music. And a lot of people don't approve of that. What is your point?
I think you should learn the difference between malware and non-malware programs before you open your mouth again.
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said by SrsBsns:
This exe will soon be labeled a trojan virus. If it already is not. Any software that does what this does is a trojan. No getting around that.
It's a trojan horse in the true sense of the world: It appears to be something it's not. However, most be believe that a trojan horse means backdoor and this program doens't have a backdoor.
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said by novaflare:
No heres whats going to happen after a while the crackers and pirates they are after will get wise and start renameing the exe to legit freeware programs of which there are 1000s. how about a bogus virus cleaner like one for msblast? or some demo program. Thats where the problem is the crackers and pirates will redistribute this program so that even people who have never downloaded a crack or pirate copy of software get their ip on this list. There will be no way to determin if the person who started it was infact a crack downloader or some one who dled the latest game demo or mod for the laterst game and my bet is they realy dont give a damn they are high on their power trip.
Relevance? Their IP can be found many ways while sitting on a P2P network. We have no intent to report any of the people who come across the program.
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said by clifgriffin:
Grow up. Seriously.
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"If for some reason this "tactic" does result in legal action taken upon those who are logged.... What's to stop people from getting the file, renaming it...say.... Linux_redhat_9_iso_1 and spreading to hundreds of thousands of innocent people downloading innocent files?????"
As for, if for some there was legal action against those who were logged, the idiots who were logged as downloading a legal freely distributed file (back to that 470KB Red Hat ISO) would not be a part of any legal action, as they would not have committed a crime and would have been logged as just being stupid.
Are there really "Hundreds of thousands" of people out there stupid enough to be downloading a 470KB Red Hat 9 Linux ISO.exe? (Red Hat 9 ISO 1 is 608MB by the way)
I thought Linux users were smarter than that.
I also don't quite get the idea of using Gnutella to download something that is freely available directly from the source, where you would know exactly what you are getting. »ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/···so/i386/
This file also only has the ability to log people who aren't smart enough to be using a firewall and just let any file on their computer call out to wherever it wants. |
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 atangelNow What??Premium
join:2002-02-18
Bronx, NY | reply to NeenerNeener
It is a trojan.... end of story. And while the argument whether you guys are legal or illegal can go on for days, in the court of public opinion... You've lost. You can argue your side till you are blue in the face. It is a slippery slope and if what you do is OK because of "X", then what is the next step into the latrine? Hate to be cliche (a sure sign that one is coming), but means don't justify the ends. And what worries people is what "means" means. What's next? I get to put a RAT on Your PC and as long as you don't do anything bad as I decide I'll leave you alone?
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xirianPremium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY
kudos:1 | reply to clifgriffin
"I'm interested in the legality of this as well...for obvious reasons...but I haven't really seen anything directly applicable to what my software does yet. I see this as no different than the RIAA putting scrambled versions of popular songs all over Kazaa to keep people from getting legit copies."
This is different then the riaa putting scrambled songs on p2p. This software calls home with your info. The scrambled songs just annoy you. When you play they do NOT send info to the riaa that you played it. |
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said by Dodge:
I am not advocating either side however there are a couple of points that make what they are doing illegal.
1) The first ever virus did nothing but flash a message "Hello, my name is digger. Catch me if you can." This program has a popup that you have to close.
Have a link to information about this first virus?
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2) It has propagation scheme built in (through Gnutella). Yes it cannot self duplicate and infect (which is not a requrement to be a virus), however it uses a popular medium to redistribute itself, which makes it a worm.
Definition of a worm is a program that spreads itself without human interaction. This programs requires human interaction, and the stupidity of users.
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3) "Operation dust bunny" rewrites itself, which translates into mutates which qualifies it as a virus once again.
Many games have updating schemes built-in, this means that many games mutate. Does that mean they are viruses?
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4) And the biggest thing, the popup (the screen shot on their own website) declares that "Your secret is safe with me", which ultimately removes their "right" (if such existed) to post anything on their web site.
They also promise to never do it again. By your thinking, that's a binding contract and when they pirate again, they break that contract.
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On the off note, if everyone was paying attention to what they are doing and had firewalls installed, these two brainiacs with no programming skills (their words, from their web site) would not be able to do anything at all.
I guess it goes to show how actual malware can spread so quickly. Just look at how fast this non-malware spread and continues to spread.
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What happens when someone takes these punks "program" and adds malware to it? Or, someone modify it to change its message to "Your busted, we got your personal info and were gonna post it online and theres nothing you can do about it. But, if you wish to discuss it, please feel free to contact us at" ::insert the publicly available address here::. Im in no way saying that this should be done, just entertaining a thought. |
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said by atangel:
It is a trojan.... end of story. And while the argument whether you guys are legal or illegal can go on for days, in the court of public opinion... You've lost. You can argue your side till you are blue in the face. It is a slippery slope and if what you do is OK because of "X", then what is the next step into the latrine? Hate to be cliche (a sure sign that one is coming), but means don't justify the ends. And what worries people is what "means" means. What's next? I get to put a RAT on Your PC and as long as you don't do anything bad as I decide I'll leave you alone?
When we started this, we knew people weren't going to like it, but so what? We don't like the fact that people pirate software and the general mood of the Internet is that it's ok. We don't like the EFF telling people to pirate.
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | reply to NeenerNeener
said by NeenerNeener:
Many games have updating schemes built-in, this means that many games mutate. Does that mean they are viruses?
No, but games do not employ the same tactic as your program. Combined with all other "features" of your software it is a virus.
said by NeenerNeener:
They also promise to never do it again. By your thinking, that's a binding contract and when they pirate again, they break that contract.
They are not given a choice from what I see. There is a single button
said by NeenerNeener:
I guess it goes to show how actual malware can spread so quickly. Just look at how fast this non-malware spread and continues to spread.
Ahhh so now the point of this exercise is to prove that malware spreads quickly on the example of your supposed non-malware? |
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said by NeenerNeener:
Many games have updating schemes built-in, this means that many games mutate. Does that mean they are viruses?
No, but games do not employ the same tactic as your program. Combined with all other "features" of your software it is a virus.
You've yet to name a "feature" that qualifies it as a virus.
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said by NeenerNeener:
They also promise to never do it again. By your thinking, that's a binding contract and when they pirate again, they break that contract.
They are not given a choice from what I see. There is a single button
Are you saying they don't know how to close a program without clicking a button?
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said by NeenerNeener:
I guess it goes to show how actual malware can spread so quickly. Just look at how fast this non-malware spread and continues to spread.
Ahhh so now the point of this exercise is to prove that malware spreads quickly on the example of your supposed non-malware?
The point was to see how files propagated on the Gnutella network. It wasn't to report pirates, as some of you seem to think.
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atangelNow What??Premium
join:2002-02-18
Bronx, NY | quote:
Are you saying they don't know how to close a program without clicking a button?
Not sure if it is legally binding  Not sure about any of this thread,
But I think the argument here is that a contract agreed to under duress (they have to click one or the other to make it go away, Ctrl-Alt-Del aside) isn't binding.
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | reply to NeenerNeener
said by NeenerNeener:
You've yet to name a "feature" that qualifies it as a virus.
Propagation, mutation, data collection/transmission without consent just to name things off the top of my head.
said by NeenerNeener:
Are you saying they don't know how to close a program without clicking a button?
Are you saying that it only transmits data after someone click a button?
said by NeenerNeener:
The point was to see how files propagated on the Gnutella network. It wasn't to report pirates, as some of you seem to think.
According to your web site the point is to waste "pirate's" time and to see patterns in piracy. |
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I usually don't involve myself with these types of discussions as I don't agree with Pirating/cracking/etc.. I am a Software Developer and a Digital Artist/Photographer so I know what it is like and how frustrating it is to have work "stolen" or used without permission!! ...
But I have to say that what these two kids are doing is just not right! Maybe the intentions behind the actions were/are legit and for a good "cause" ... but the actions themselves are completely wrong! You do not own any rights or copyrights or interests in the "software" that is supposedly being "pirated".. therefore I don't think you have any right to "simulate" those softwares for any purposes... I understand the need or whatever to want to fight piracy or unauthorized use.. but come on.. to use a type of "trojan" to do so??!! Not to mention as others pointed out, the method used to "distribute" and "catch" so called pirates is to easily spoofed and can log and record innocent people.. ###KB file may not pass as Red Hat Linux ISO ## ... but could pass as say a Screensaver (exe).. a self-installing small program or plug-in to another program.. etc... which could all be legitimate GPL/GNU/Freeware/OpenSource... Just my 2 cents!
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY | reply to MxxCon
it seems like they are also writing/reading registry
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\ShellNoRoam\MUICache
seems to keep track of all the filenames their malware used
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it seems like they are also writing/reading registry
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\ShellNoRoam\MUICache
seems to keep track of all the filenames their malware used
That's a pure lie. Storing information on the user computer doesn't help us at all.
Stop spreading false information.
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