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| Do the Math, People!! This report states the number of technology jobs created with offshoring will be 519,000 vs 490,000 with out. Looks good, right? Wrong! If one investigates the numbers just a little further, you will see the report states of those 519,000 tech jobs created, only 244,000 of them will be in the U.S., the others all over seas. How is that a good thing? How is going from creating 419,000 U.S. jobs to 244,000 a good thing?
I also love quotes like, only unskilled jobs are being outsourced that will eventually be automated, like coding and testing. Coding? Really, who is going to write these programs that write programs? Testing, automating testing will only test for what the author of the program could think to test, what about all the millions of posibilities he couldn't think of, that you only uncover through real human interaction?
The second quote I loved was jobs least likely to be off shored are those requiring direct customer interaction. When's the last time you called dell, covad, cisco, or any other major tech company and didn't get some indian rep who refused to tell you the location you are actually calling?
Corporate greed is going to kill our economy and our future. Studies last week reported enrollment at the college level in math, science, tech and engineering fields have dropped 20-30%. This is in less than a year since offshoring has become an issue. What do you think news like this job study will do? Drive enrollmetn down even further.
We are in for a big surprise when the only jobs our children have to look forward to are in government, litigation, or health care. With high end tech and science jobs going to India and low end manual labor jobs going to mexico and china, what fields do you think we will actually all be employed in?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. In the 80's as manufacturing jobs flew overseas the so-called experts told us to go back to school and retool in skilled technology jobs. Now tech jobs are being sent overseas and they once again are telling us to go back to school and retool in skilled jobs. What's the difference? This time they can't tell us what these skilled jobs are.
This is nothing more than the elite class creating more decisive economoic classes by destroying the middle class which continually threatens their reign. It's truly a shame our corporate leaders don't have the moral values to see the results of their actions past next quarters stock prices. | |
 bistro777Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?Premium
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Englewood, CO | The New Math "March 23, 2004 Arlington, VA - The Information Technology Association of America (ITAA) today expressed disappointment in Michigan Governor Jennifer M. Granholm for signing executive directives seeking to erect barriers to the global sourcing of state business.
According to a statement issued by the Governor's office, "Directive 2004-2 prohibits state departments and agencies from spending state or federal funds to provide a financial incentive to induce a business located in the United States to relocate out of the country, if shifting production offshore will reduce jobs for U.S. workers."
ITAA President Harris N. Miller said, "This is a unilateral act that ignores many reasonable voices in Michigan's political and business communities. The executive directives whisk away the welcome mat for foreign investment in Michigan, and will make overseas sales of products and services that much more difficult for Michigan companies and their employees."
Huh????? Keeping jobs in America for taxpayer-funded entities/agencies is bad?!? And that'll also keep foreign investment away? Que? And offshoring IT while putting those displaced people to work at McDonalds is a good thing? Huh?
And how many of those folks will no longer be able to afford the very projects generated by offshoring everything from IT to manufacturing? Of course, when someone like this - who should know better - calls tech support "unskilled labor," I guess we should look with a jaundiced eye at whatever else he says...
Where do IT people drink? Offshore bars. | |
jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | reply to kcjames1138
Re: Do the Math, People!! What we need is a degree in CEO or CFO  | |
| We have that, its called a harvard mba. Then any idiot VC will throw money at you. Problem is, if youa re stupid in math and science, you won't be coming up with any good idea in order to warrant VC capital.
What we really need is removal of all tax break incentives on offshoring. We need taxes put in place to require offshoring companies to contribute equivelant dollars into social security, fed taxes, unemployment insurance, and health care. All of which are hidden costs people neglect to mention when discussing the problems of offshoring.
We already have a social security crisis. Our dollars are going to pay for the social security of our elders. By the time we can draw on SS, it will be gone. If companies are going to eliminate jobs that would normally pay into such funds and pay into our federal & state taxes and pay into our unemployment, which more and more people are having to draw on as these companies send jobs over seas, then we need to be sure they are replenishing what they are taking away.
That creates a fair and balanced landscape for competition. Same taxes same fees. Compete on knowledge and wage. Yes we still lose on both, but perhaps the increased costs or rather decreased savings would discourage haphazard offshoring.
Out sourcing is a great thing, when done responsibly. Out source to other U.S. companies. Off shoring is bad and creates far more social problems than anyone wants to admit.
IBM says in their most recent ads that its a new economy, an expert economy where businesses can focus on what they do best and outsource the rest. In theory that is true, but why does IBM not follow their own propaganda? They are in the business of making computers, yet they are the leading proponent of off shoring by selling HR contracts to the various telecom companys like SBC, Verizon, Qwest, and Sprint. | | |
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Butler, PA | THis being a good thing depends on who you are.
IF you are joe blow worker, it sucks. IF you are stuffed shirt CEO or rabid shareholder wanting instant ROI, then its good.
Depends on where you are on the food chain.
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