 InfamousCowMilk is overratedPremium
join:2003-09-23
Collegeville, PA
kudos:1 | reply to yvliew
Re: Comcast letter ( abuse incident ) ??? The only advice you should be taking is from a lawyer.
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 ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC | reply to yvliew
said by yvliew:
seems like I need to pay a yearly fee to join EFF...well .. I think i won't be replying to comcast. I don't have the file.
Thanks for replying to this thread.
You don't have to pay EFF a yearly fee to get advice from them. They get money from donations.
EFF does good work though and donating to them is a great idea so they can continue fighting for the rights of users on the Internet and the like. |
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 KeepOnRockinMusic Lover ForeverPremium
join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR | reply to yvliew
This is another reason why I will never use BT, edonkey, or any other program like that.
There's way too much risk of getting caught sharing stuff on those networks. |
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Soon we'll beat them at their own game! B*stards!! Here's a bright idea:
Why doesn't someone write a program that encrypts everything as it goes onto your harddrive - or encrypts specific files or directories - but then allows you access to it through a password protected interface. I.e. To anyone who gets into your computer (as we know the stupid RIAA does) it appears you've got a shitload of encrypted files. Haha. *Giving RIAA the F*NGER*
However, that doesn't solve the problem of the fact that currently it's almost impossible to mask your IP and still fileshare, since your IP is what identifies your computer as the source of requests, and the destination for responses. So... this is an idea of the top of my head, but sometimes the best way to fight fire is with fire (to be utterly unabashedly trite). In other words, create a program which does nothing other than bury itself in the installing users computer. Ensure that it *leaves traces* of itself all over the place (registery, system, memory, services, etc). The kicker is that this program is COPYRIGHTED, and that it reports the IP address of the individual with the program installed to our unique filesharing program which then logs the IP, checks it against a blacklist, and if the IP passes it, allows the file to be downloaded; if it's questionable then it flags the download to a queue, and if it is a known RIAA (and associates) IP then it refuses the attempt to download and activates any one of hidden trojan functions built into the "partner" sharing application on the computer known to be an RIAA (or MPAA or whatever) schmuck. Ultimately, the simple idea is that you require the installation of a copyrighted application. It is freeware for individual use, but extremely expensive for enterprise licenses. So, for all the filesharers it's completely legitimate to utilize far and wide, but off limits (technically) to our opponents. If they use it, then hopefully we smoke their computer (or at least cause some havoc) and take THEM to court for Copyright infringement.
Well, screw it. Stupid idea anyway. Every day I think about the problem though and how it can be circumvented. Ultimately, people like me will ruin every effort of those a-holes who like to push around the little people. Study after study suggests that those who share music are those who otherwise would not buy it (so no lost revenue there - and potentially a new customer if they fall in love with the music), and I believe if there was as much attention on Movies, and/or Software they'd find the same phenomenon. In fact, ultimately the products serve a limited marketing purpose. The ENTIRE hacking community (as far as I know it) maintains the mindset "if you like it, support good software and buy it". There are so many programs out there from $20.00-$250,000.00 that I would never ever think about purchasing without having as much free reign as I wanted to try the program. Many times I find I don't end up using the program. So it just takes up space on my hard-drive. If I download a movie it's because I'm interested enough to waste some bandwidth on it, not desperate enough to see it in the theater, but I don't want to wait out the idiot studios whim on releasing DVD's. Movies I love I'll still rent and buy the DVD's, especially if they ever figure out the whole concept of "value added."
LASTLY, don't knock Charmed. I was stunned to find that I really like the show (yep, I just realized this and how many seasons has it been on the air now?). Besides, it's one less show I have to put on the Fox alter, and hope they don't axe randomly. As far as sharing T.V. episodes go... how many people are going to buy a set of Series 1 (or 2, or 3...) DVD's when they've always wanted to watch an episode but just never got around to it. Like Cold Case. I've always wanted to catch that dam show on Sunday but somehow just never get around to it... so how can I catch it? By the generosity and effort of other fans of the show. Penalizing fans for being fans is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Here's an idea for the networks: offer the episodes immediately after airing for download in fantastic DVD quality WITH commercials (or whatever the hell you want to put in). THe reality is that most people would choose to get them that way, so you're essentially broadening your audience to those who can't catch it on the stupid times you program it to show. And, you're still selling advertising. You're also able to *track* that traffic. Imagine getting all the demographic information you could request in a required registration to download episodes. That's a Marketers DREAM. But this idea would be too smart and forethoughtful for the entertainment industry. Sure, you'd still have people filesharing episodes they're recorded on DVR (i.e. minus commercials), but it'd be a much smaller group, and they'd probably be doing it for another justifiable reason.
UGH. All those gigantic studios with millions of dollars running around like chickens with their heads cutoff hiring lawyers left and right to sue every citizen they can get their hands on; and they could spend less money - and probably MAKE MORE money if they just gave some thought about how to turn lemons into freakin lemonade!
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 ChrisDATGoogle Keyword Compsysnyc
join:2002-02-26
Hollis, NY | reply to yvliew
Re: Comcast letter ( abuse incident ) ??? Don't kid yourselves kiddies, Your cable provider knows exactly what's on every box in your home, every minute of every day. Digital or analog, those cute little black cable boxes are wonderful two way communicators. |
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rlymp
join:1999-11-13
San Bruno, CA | reply to yvliew
I used to work for internet abuse dept. We would get those damn letters about our customers all the time. Here is the thing - download all you want but don't share it. Repeat,don't share it. Let the people who offer these TV shows get in trouble - become a leech - don't share it. Use IRC and just leech - let the guys who run the servers get busted.
We (DMCA and us) would go after the people who serve and not the leechers. How simple is that? |
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 ass_kicker_9Carmen Electra, Damn She's Hot
join:2002-03-12
San Jose, CA | reply to yvliew
Your idea of being a leecher completely disgusts me. Many file sharing programs die because of leechers, BT has survived along with the ed2k simply because leechers are not allowed, I would imagine with these services there is at least an extra 200% of bandwidth available because people are not allowed to leech. My real question was addressed here before but I have to ask it again as I usually download off bittorrent then leave it open for another 12 hrs to let more people get the file, but I am only uploading chunks of it, how am I distributing it ? It is in mpeg format, and if I am only distributing let's see 10% of the middle of the file, I am giving the person(s) something useless, they don't even have the header of the file. How is it copyright infringement if the chunk I give the user is useless ? It's like that service that let's you download mp3's from one user and keys to "unlock" the mp3's from another user.
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 Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
1 edit | said by ass_kicker_9:
My real question was addressed here before but I have to ask it again as I usually download off bittorrent then leave it open for another 12 hrs to let more people get the file, but I am only uploading chunks of it, how am I distributing it ? It is in mpeg format, and if I am only distributing let's see 10% of the middle of the file, I am giving the person(s) something useless, they don't even have the header of the file. How is it copyright infringement if the chunk I give the user is useless ? It's like that service that let's you download mp3's from one user and keys to "unlock" the mp3's from another user.
It doesn't matter if you're only uploading useless chunks of the file, your going to get in trouble because that chunk is not useless with the other chunks that are distributed.
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As i've posted before (months back) - I have gotten three of these letters, two from sharing on Kazaa one for posting onto newsgroups. Since then i've never shared any copyrighted content on kazaa/post anything to newsgroups.
No need to be alarmed, but if you continue to share such content, Comcast will terminate your account, though i've never heard of a termination for this reason. If you must get Charmed use newgroups i see it posted all the time - or try IRC.
BTW: There is no need to reply to this e mail. |
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join:2003-08-18
Israel | reply to yvliew
Did you by any chance received it on April Fools day?  |
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Maybe the letter was to set precedent. Given my opinion of the quality of WB programming, I would speculate that this incident is the first time anyone ever infringed copyrights of a WB-carried show; and they want to nip things in the bud. They may feel that sometime in the next decade, a second person would find one of their shows worth watching and want to download something of theirs. |
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 GrumpyPremium
join:2001-07-28
NW CT
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Most of the issue is the conduit for distribution. When a program is broadcast via traditional television methods, there are deals, and the creator gets paid. When the show is distributed via p2p, the creator is not getting paid. If it were our TV show or song that was being given away without the multi million dollar compensations, we all would likely be pissed about it as well.
The topic of how much money TV and movie people make is irrelevant. |
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 QumahlinNever Enough TimePremium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state | reply to ass_kicker_9
said by ass_kicker_9:
Your idea of being a leecher completely disgusts me. Many file sharing programs die because of leechers, BT has survived along with the ed2k simply because leechers are not allowed, I would imagine with these services there is at least an extra 200% of bandwidth available because people are not allowed to leech. My real question was addressed here before but I have to ask it again as I usually download off bittorrent then leave it open for another 12 hrs to let more people get the file, but I am only uploading chunks of it, how am I distributing it ? It is in mpeg format, and if I am only distributing let's see 10% of the middle of the file, I am giving the person(s) something useless, they don't even have the header of the file. How is it copyright infringement if the chunk I give the user is useless ? It's like that service that let's you download mp3's from one user and keys to "unlock" the mp3's from another user.
Not sure if your aware but there are plenty of BT and Emule clients that allow you to leech...
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said by ass_kicker_9:
Your idea of being a leecher completely disgusts me. Many file sharing programs die because of leechers, BT has survived along with the ed2k simply because leechers are not allowed, I would imagine with these services there is at least an extra 200% of bandwidth available because people are not allowed to leech. My real question was addressed here before but I have to ask it again as I usually download off bittorrent then leave it open for another 12 hrs to let more people get the file, but I am only uploading chunks of it, how am I distributing it ? It is in mpeg format, and if I am only distributing let's see 10% of the middle of the file, I am giving the person(s) something useless, they don't even have the header of the file. How is it copyright infringement if the chunk I give the user is useless ? It's like that service that let's you download mp3's from one user and keys to "unlock" the mp3's from another user.
Not sure if your aware but there are plenty of BT and Emule clients that allow you to leech...
You have to share if you have BT, I don't know about eMule though. |
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QumahlinNever Enough TimePremium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
1 edit | said by kironyou:
said by Qumahlin:
said by ass_kicker_9:
Your idea of being a leecher completely disgusts me. Many file sharing programs die because of leechers, BT has survived along with the ed2k simply because leechers are not allowed, I would imagine with these services there is at least an extra 200% of bandwidth available because people are not allowed to leech. My real question was addressed here before but I have to ask it again as I usually download off bittorrent then leave it open for another 12 hrs to let more people get the file, but I am only uploading chunks of it, how am I distributing it ? It is in mpeg format, and if I am only distributing let's see 10% of the middle of the file, I am giving the person(s) something useless, they don't even have the header of the file. How is it copyright infringement if the chunk I give the user is useless ? It's like that service that let's you download mp3's from one user and keys to "unlock" the mp3's from another user.
Not sure if your aware but there are plenty of BT and Emule clients that allow you to leech...
You have to share if you have BT, I don't know about eMule though.
No as I stated there are BT clients that allow you to leech. So you don't upload anything and your downloads go fine. Sometimes they run a little slower but they still work just fine and no uploading.
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 dravenEx-Mod 2004-10
join:2002-02-20
my bunker | reply to yvliew
I'm trusting that the original poster's question was sufficiently answered during the course of the thread. The Filesharing Software forum is a better place to discuss the merits of different programs.
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