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Supafly
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Re: It's Coming....
said by technick  :
It's my music, I paid for it, I can do anything I want with it, including shoving it up your #@$ and cracking it...
NO NO NO NO NO NO AND NO! You might of paid for it, but you agreed to the EULA before purchasing it! If you disagree with the licensing agreement, by all means don't buy the music! Just because you bought it does NOT mean you can manipulate the file in any way, shape or form.
I'm a audiophile at heart, but I download music "illegally" all the time. But you know what, 100% of my cd purchases are from music I liked after downloading, I don't watch MTV or listen to the radio, so I choose what I like.
I hate the RIAA as much as the next person, their fascist ways and their gestapo stunts make me sick, but you know what? I still buy music from artists under the RIAA umbrella because the artist I like and listen to the most should be supported. | |
rubber_ducky
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said by Supafly :
said by technick :
It's my music, I paid for it, I can do anything I want with it, including shoving it up your #@$ and cracking it...
NO NO NO NO NO NO AND NO! You might of paid for it, but you agreed to the EULA before purchasing it! If you disagree with the licensing agreement, by all means don't buy the music! Just because you bought it does NOT mean you can manipulate the file in any way, shape or form.
I'm a audiophile at heart, but I download music "illegally" all the time. But you know what, 100% of my cd purchases are from music I liked after downloading, I don't watch MTV or listen to the radio, so I choose what I like.
I hate the RIAA as much as the next person, their fascist ways and their gestapo stunts make me sick, but you know what? I still buy music from artists under the RIAA umbrella because the artist I like and listen to the most should be supported.
Haven't seen a new cd in a long time, are their EULA's on packaging? | |
yabos
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said by tomkb :
You might of paid for it, but you agreed to the EULA before purchasing it! If you disagree with the licensing agreement, by all means don't buy the music!
Tell me one music store where the EULA is plastered by the cash register, so the users can read the 15 pages before he buys and agrees to it? And how can you agree to something, even though its not signed, and you and the copyrightholder each have a copy of the agreement?
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united state | He was referring to ITMS...not a cd store.
With ITMS the EULA is there when you use the service so yes..it is at the register per say
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said by Supafly :
I still buy music from artists under the RIAA umbrella because the artist I like and listen to the most should be supported.
The artist(s) you listen to the most should be urged to crawl out from underneath the RIAA umbrella and produce/promote/distribute their own product - or to use one of the many far superior small music services organizations and/or small labels to do it for them. Artists who do not make the move away from old-school, Label-as-God (RIAA) model are rapidly losing my respect as "artists" and must, at some point, be considered more for their marketing conduct than for their music. | |
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nope, no EULAs on (audio) CDs. But there is definitely an EULA/AUP/ToS for every music download site I know about (Apple, WalMart, eMusic, etc.). And most of them have language along the lines of: you agree to be bound by these terms; if you can't agree to these terms, your remedy is not to use the service.
I was quite disappointed when reading these license clauses too. Unlike forking over money for CDs, where all the fair use clauses of the copyright laws apply, we don't buy jack diddly squat from these online music places. We buy the revocable right to have proprietary programs cram some data into our sound controller drivers, or alternately, be transferred to a device with proprietary programming (WMA-compatible MP3 player or iPod) that's supposed to output some electricity to some headphones. I assert it's too difficult and abstract for the average consumer (who's used to buying vinyl or CDs) to wrap their mind around that concept (at least properly), so there's an awful lot of hand waving going on and they pretend it's like they just purchased a CD or a slice of a CD.
It's like a lot of technology...call it law technology if you like. One has to be a specialist to truly understand it (whether an EE, a CE, a SE...or in the case of law, a lawyer), and the average person chooses an approximation (or model if you like) to simplify it so that they can understand it. And details get lost (like, one doesn't really own anything). Music from these online places is a lot more like a really long season pass for a ski resort (theoretically perpetual, but not really; they add language to the ToS giving them the right to revoke your rights). You buy the right to use the slopes (work of music) as much as you can handle.
If end-users only understood this, they might not spend so much money on something as abstract as rights. It feels more concrete, like a CD, because now there is that much less free space left on their hard drives. But it only seems like it because it operates a LOT like a CD. I have a feeling if it were only understood for what it is, people would demand to own the file. The one saving grace is that these programs allow the works to be written to CD-R[W], so then it functions a lot more like the traditional CDDA model. That's what the RIAA members should do, and stop worrying so much about it. Remove this silly encryption technology, and prosecute people on copyright violation grounds instead of DMCA subversion grounds.
I love to refer back to The Adolescence of P-1, wherein it is written that locks are a dynamic delaying device. A new, more hardened lock is invented, then sometime later, someone figures out how to pick it. So inventors figure out how to make an even harder lock, but that only last for a while...and on and on.
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Strangely enough, thats one thing I do. I have found all kinds of new to me music on napster, kazaa, etc.. over the years. I often buy CDs if I like it enough. When I buy the CDs, I get them either directly from the artist's site, or used on Amazon. As a matter of fact, recently my wife aquired a taste for Chris Isaak after listening to 5 CD's worth of MP3s I got. She bought the 5 CD's worth, plus another one, all though Amazon. Total cost $32 shipped for about 6 CDs/72 songs. Beats the heck out of iTunes, and RIAA gets nothing. | |
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