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jester121

join:2003-08-09
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Two weeks...

That's my guess on how long till this is a non-issue.


dadkins
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I was thinking more like one week. LOL!

B
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What makes you fellas so sure?

While there will, probably, always be the "analog fly" in the DRM ointment, I fully expect that DRM will be locking digital things up very tightly before long.

All the more reason to ONLY deal with normal MP3 and Ogg Vorbis (and other) files, sans DRM. In for a penny to DRM, in for a pound. No matter HOW cool that mini-iPod is.

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jester121

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B, my expectation is that the next phase will be some creative folks (not Creative(tm) mind you!) who start writing their own firmware for the various music players that are out there. This may have happened already; I don't follow music much.

I'd draw a comparison to to $1000 Canon digital SLR camera -- most of the same hardware capabilities of their "pro" line that costs a lot more, but with some features turned off in the firmware. Some Russian guys looked in the firmware, figured it out, and are continuing to unlock and improve some great features of the camera. No need to buy a 10D model any more -- just download the hack and your 300d is the same animal.

If the IPOD (or whatever) doesn't support MP3s or whatever other in vogue DRM-less format exists, someone who really likes the hardware will make it so that it does.

Now what I do fully expect is that some idiot in Congress is going to try to re-write the laws that allow reverse engineering, and try to mess things up. Or, put some sort of lame encryption in firmware that makes it illegal under the DCMA or something.

The anarchy of the internet is going to be a tough thing for companies to grapple with for a long time to come.

BosstonesOwn

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Even if they do decide to encrypt the firmware. It does no good. They dump the code out decrypt and write their own legal firmware since they own the item.

I think Microsoft had this same issue with their xbox console. I was reading they swap the bios chips out in favor of a linuxable bios. Funny thing is they used them for web servers on the site. Was pretty amusing i must say.
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Safron

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Accoustic Physics 101

If you can hear it, you can record it.
I don't see anyway the RIAA (or anyone) can get around that little physics flaw.

B
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Re: Two weeks...


Thanks for the reply, jester121 ! I didn't know that anyone had hacked the Canons that way; very interesting.

I'm not sure how to respond to your other points; we're really touching on two things -- will hardware players be able to play un-DRMed media, and the (easy) answer to that question is sure, at least some will.

The other, separate, question is whether DRM will continue to be hacked out of the way, and my theory is that NO, it will reach a point of maturity where you will NOT be able to play a DRM'd piece of media, or crack it, without at least one digital to analog conversion.

As to policing RCA and headphone jacks.... it could happen!

Even something like a working version of Macrovision (has that company done ANYTHING to improve its technology in the last 20 years?) would cause trouble on the analog side.

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B
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And rather apropos, from Slashdot, is this article on Kazaa itself suing reverse-engineers...

»slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/28/1635219

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B
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Hacked Already!

Damn! jester, you weren't kidding!

»apple.slashdot.org/apple/04/04/2···&tid=188

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jester121

join:2003-08-09
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Dadkins wins -- he said ONE week! hehe...

Wouldn't you just LOVE to be a fly on the wall in the conference room when the boss gets everyone together and hands out the slashdot story to the highly paid devs?
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