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badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov

Couple questions : Debating between SBC/DSLX

Greetings,

I have two simple questions in regards to the service of DSLX ..

[I'm in the Downtown Los Angeles area, 4000 ft. from the CO]

1. What DSL modem is given for the free leasing?

2. SBC's current promo is $39.99 for a 12-month contract [1500-3000 kbps / 384 kbps] ..... and DSLX's current is $42.95.

Is there anyway for DSLX to match the SBC price?

Thanks in advance!!


The Way Out

join:2003-01-20

DSLX does not do pricematching. No need to when they beat SBC on features.



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov



may i ask which features?

The only difference I see is that the upload for DSLX is [384-416 vs. SBC's max at 384], and also a static IP.... ?

also, is there a shipping cost for the initial equipment? SBC charges $12.95

Thanks for any help!


The Way Out

join:2003-01-20
reply to badtzjunk

Newsgroups, webspace, email addresses, support, network quality.



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov

is network quality actually better if it's on the same backbone as SBC?

SBC doesn't offer Newsgroups?


JohnC9

join:2001-09-19
Union City, CA

In most of California, DSLExtreme provides their own core services and Internet backbone/peering connections. SBC provides only the subscriber loop.

-John


The Way Out

join:2003-01-20
reply to badtzjunk

said by badtzjunk:

SBC doesn't offer Newsgroups?
DSLX provides a Supernews account which has higher retention, higher completion, and a larger number of groups.

nonoy5
-Line Noise Is Hypnotic

join:2002-12-30
Irvine, CA

Is there a speed cap on News Service for DSLX?
Is there is a speed cap for SBC ?

said by The Way Out:
said by badtzjunk:

SBC doesn't offer Newsgroups?
DSLX provides a Supernews account which has higher retention, higher completion, and a larger number of groups.



OLsnyderckbk

join:2004-02-09
Seal Beach, CA

I dont know about SBC Newsgroups, but DSL Extreme allows you two logins with 256kbs each, thus resulting in 512kbs


Daemon
Premium
join:2003-06-29
Berkeley, CA
Reviews:
·Comcast
·webpass.net

Sign up for SBC, and wait until something goes wrong or you need help (which it will). You'll immediately regret not spending the $3/mo.

Or, alternatively, sign up with DSLX, wait until something goes wrong or you need help (which it will), and George will become your hero.

Just browse through the reviews of DSLExtreme on this website. How many places can you go where the users of an ISP will try to convince you to sign up for it? I'm trying to sell you DSLExtreme, and I'm not getting paid for it- in fact I pay DSLExtreme.

How many companies have customers that loyal? There is a thread just a few down below yours about Verizon vs DSLX- it might be worth a read.
--
-Ryan
Find me in the networking and Microsoft help forums



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov
reply to badtzjunk

If I sign up at $42.99 for a 12-month contract, does it automatically go to 54.95 after the 1st year and remain at that price? Or will it only go up to the amount of the service at that time [month-to-month price]?

Is there a charge to have the DSL equipment to get shipped to you on initial signup?

Thanks for all the help so far! [i'll read the verizon/dslx thread also ]



dslx_gm
Premium,VIP
join:2002-12-26
Chatsworth, CA
kudos:17

There are two options for the package.

Competitive Promotional Package -- $42.95/mo
1 Year Subscription ($54.95/mo after 1 st year)

Exclusive Price Freeze Guarantee -- $49.95/mo
Price will never go up! Price Guaranteed for as long as you keep the service

There is a 12.95 shipping charge for the DSL modem and a $2.48 charge for California use tax on the modem lease.



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov

Greetings George!

Thanks for the reply!

I was wondering if you happen to know which DSL modem DSLX provides for residents in the Downtown LA area?

Also, at the end of the 12-month contract, are we able to re-sign up for another one year contract for the current deal/price at the time? [instead of letting the price jump to $54.95] ??

Thanks!



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov
reply to badtzjunk

also wondering ....

If i'm uploading a lot, does it slow down my download speed?

I currently have earthlink, and when I upload near my maximum of 96kbps, my download crawls down to 56k speeds!

??


Daemon
Premium
join:2003-06-29
Berkeley, CA
Reviews:
·Comcast
·webpass.net

due to the nature of TCP/IP and the internet, whenever you are uploading a lot you will get slower downloads.

Let me explain-

Say you are downloading from me. I have no way of knowing that you are getting what i'm sending unless you say 'got that much', 'ok, got that part too', etc. So, every so often, your computer sends data back to who you are downloading from to tell thes server you got it okay. However, now assume you are uploading at near your max. Now, there is no upload bandwidth left for you to say 'okay' back with, so the server thinks you didn't get the data and resends it. Since you get the same data over and over, the overall download rate decreases. In general you need 10-15% of your upload bandwidth open to download at max speed.
--
-Ryan
Find me in the networking and Microsoft help forums



badtzjunk

@talentstyle.com
reply to badtzjunk

which DSL modem is given on signup?



dslx_gm
Premium,VIP
join:2002-12-26
Chatsworth, CA
kudos:17

They are shipping the Westell Wirespeed currently.



badtzjunk

@talentstyle.com
reply to badtzjunk

George,

For the 1500-3000/384-416kbps package, what upload speed would you recommend capping off at so it doesn't cannabalize the download stream?

[i'll be able to find a program that'll limit my upload speed]

thanks



dslx_gm
Premium,VIP
join:2002-12-26
Chatsworth, CA
kudos:17

I do not think that there is a program that you can do it overall for. Most applications have a way to set the max upload speed. You would be able to do it at an application level but I do not know of a program to set it overall.


Daemon
Premium
join:2003-06-29
Berkeley, CA

i'd cap it at 225-256kbps



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov
reply to badtzjunk

should the MTU be set to 1492? or 1500?

does it matter?


theguy0

join:2003-10-04
Santee, CA

1500 on a SpeedStream 5260.



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov
reply to badtzjunk

is teh MTU setting dependent on the DSL modem? Or the network connection?



djrobx
Premium
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:2
reply to badtzjunk

1492 = PPPoE
1500 = Bridged (e.g., Static, or DHCP)

-- Rob
--
\\ROB - a part of the SCB local network



badtzjunk

@talentstyle.com
reply to badtzjunk

since the dsl modem is in bridged mode [if you want to use it with a router] then i'd assume everyone in the network should be set at 1500.

versus.

if the dsl modem isn't set in bridged mode [and connected straight to the one computer that's using it] then it's set at 1492?

Is that right?

also, does it slow down your connection if you have the wrong setting?



badtzjunk

@lsanca54.dynamic.cov



??



djrobx
Premium
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:2
Reviews:
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·VOIPO
reply to badtzjunk

Your modem can be in bridge mode and your computer/router could be handling PPPoE. The appropriate MTU is still 1492 in that case. PPPoE takes up 8 bytes out of the 1500 byte ethernet frame, which is why you need to reduce it. I think if you leave it at 1500, path MTU discovery will lower it for you anyway.

Leaving it lower (say 1492 on a bridged static connection) unnecessarily reduces your efficiency, although only by a tiny, practically unnoticeable amount.

-- Rob
--
\\ROB - a part of the SCB local network



badtzjunk

@talentstyle.com

[thanks for the help so far ]

When would you set it at 1500 [which scenario] ?

Would you put it at 1500 when the dsl modem is doing the PPPoE?


tdbone1

join:2002-10-21
Fort Lauderdale, FL

u use 1500 if ur not using ppoe which means ur not using dsl

cable = 1500


Daemon
Premium
join:2003-06-29
Berkeley, CA
Reviews:
·Comcast
·webpass.net

said by tdbone1:
u use 1500 if ur not using ppoe which means ur not using dsl

cable = 1500

That is incorrect. I am using DSL and am most definately not using PPPoE.

PPPoE is for dynamic addresses, but not for static IP's.
--
-Ryan
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