 login name Premium join:2000-08-11 | Ridiculous
They don't protect regular radio in anyway, so why should they bother protecting digital broadcasts. |
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  Ender3rd
join:2001-07-15 East Granby, CT | Agreed. I wish they would just stop whining and simply lower the bloated prices of their crappy albums.
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  Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to login name Digital radio offers "no generation loss": bit for bit fidelity of the source data. Using a tape recorder to capture music over the air is like videotaping a movie on TV: it's not going to be as good as the "official" videotape release.
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  Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI
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| They aren't afraid of tape recorders. They are afraid of the direct inputs to the digital radio. XM Satellite Radio has a system you can hook to your PC. If you know where to look, you can purchase a output and go directly to your computer where you can record hours of digial quality music straight to your PC. I know some people who do this and use a music editing program to take the music they want and save it to mp3s.
Quite a nice little system I might add.  -- My Domain Nightfall's Hockey and Life Journal |
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  NickD Premium join:2000-11-17 Princeton Junction, NJ clubs: | reply to login name All radios which have a headphone jack can be used to record music on the computer. Digital radio would allow people to record radio static-free. -- Crunch for Team Starfire! Pepsi GOOD/Coke BAD |
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  Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to Nightfall said by Nightfall : They aren't afraid of tape recorders.
Isn't that what I said? -- Stephen J. Friedl * Security Consultant * Tustin, California USA * my web site |
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  anon_brian
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| reply to Steve No, quality has nothing to do with it from a legal point of view. The law is the law. Whether I record a snowy picture of Hollywood Squares on a 2 head VCR, or record the Sopranos from an HDTV feed directly to a DVD, the law is the same and it's my right to do so. The same applies to music.
I admit that newer technology makes pirating an increased threat. But too bad. I enjoy recording internet radio so I can use it on my PDA while offline. I enjoy Tivo because it lets me watch content at another time.
Frankly, introducing copy protection measures into a digital stream of music should be ruled as illegal.
I'm really sick of the RIAA. Their lawsuits are extortion and now they're trying to regulate things beyond their control. |
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  deadmeat Premium join:2003-03-21 Sonoma, CA | reply to Steve They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... Cause the music execs to go on welfare. -- " That's it Man, Game Over Man, Game Over." |
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  Captain_Avat
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| "They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... "
Try 35 years ago! I remember back in the 70's that the recording industry would strong-arm FM stations into not playing whole album sides to prevent people from taping their broadcast. Rumor had it that they pushed the whole talking over the intro and song endings too to foil any "bootleggers".(But I think that started back in the 50's). Back then FM, especially FM stereo was a real boon to music broadcasts. That along with ever improving recording technology more than made up for some of the loss in quality when taping. Not to mention while the audio quality of the music was pretty good most people had cheap tape players that masked most of the defects. |
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 login name Premium join:2000-08-11 | reply to Steve
So, the way you put it, the RIAA doesn't care about "pirating" or "copying" lower quality music, but they care about "pirating" or "copying" high quality music.
Um... |
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 login name Premium join:2000-08-11
| reply to anon_brian said by anon_brian: No, quality has nothing to do with it from a legal point of view. The law is the law. Whether I record a snowy picture of Hollywood Squares on a 2 head VCR, or record the Sopranos from an HDTV feed directly to a DVD, the law is the same and it's my right to do so. The same applies to music.
I admit that newer technology makes pirating an increased threat. But too bad. I enjoy recording internet radio so I can use it on my PDA while offline. I enjoy Tivo because it lets me watch content at another time.
Frankly, introducing copy protection measures into a digital stream of music should be ruled as illegal.
I'm really sick of the RIAA. Their lawsuits are extortion and now they're trying to regulate things beyond their control.
Exactly. -- "So, computers? I hear they basically break down to a bunch of ones and zeroes. I don't know how that means I can see naked womenon my screen, but God bless you people." |
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  Augustus III If Only Rome Could See Us Now....
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| reply to login name So what exactly is the issue here? Most radio stations are totally useless and play the same songs for months 10 times a day.
I would be more concerned about people memorizing the music from overplay than I would be about digital radio which is just as evil as digital cable and *gasp* hdtv. incredible.. |
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  LordMalak
join:2003-07-02 Brazil | reply to login name The RIAA never cared about analog copying due to generation loss. Copying digital content (CD-R, digital radio, MP3, etc.) bothers them because it's a perfect, bit-by-bit copy of the original. -- SBC DSL Tech Support. |
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  LordMalak
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| reply to Captain_Avat said by Captain_Avat : "They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... "
Try 35 years ago! I remember back in the 70's that the recording industry would strong-arm FM stations into not playing whole album sides to prevent people from taping their broadcast. Rumor had it that they pushed the whole talking over the intro and song endings too to foil any "bootleggers".(But I think that started back in the 50's). Back then FM, especially FM stereo was a real boon to music broadcasts. That along with ever improving recording technology more than made up for some of the loss in quality when taping. Not to mention while the audio quality of the music was pretty good most people had cheap tape players that masked most of the defects.
Even if you use top notch professional analog recording gear, there's STILL loss of data, especially if you want to make a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy... you get the idea. If properly encoded, a 10th generation MP3 copy will be truly identical to the original. -- SBC DSL Tech Support. |
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  Razor66 T0y0ta 4 Life Semper Fi
join:2004-02-29 San Francisco, CA | reply to login name I suppose if I share a split banana with my wife, I suppose the RIAA will come and fine me for that |
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| reply to LordMalak Bull****.
The riaa cared just as much when tape players came out as they do now. The only difference is now we have a medium in which trading is extremely simple and easy: The internet. -- "So, computers? I hear they basically break down to a bunch of ones and zeroes. I don't know how that means I can see naked womenon my screen, but God bless you people." |
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  P Ness You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already Premium join:2001-08-29 Mineola, NY clubs: 
| reply to Nightfall said by Nightfall : They aren't afraid of tape recorders. They are afraid of the direct inputs to the digital radio. XM Satellite Radio has a system you can hook to your PC. If you know where to look, you can purchase a output and go directly to your computer where you can record hours of digial quality music straight to your PC. I know some people who do this and use a music editing program to take the music they want and save it to mp3s.
Quite a nice little system I might add. 
But the quality is no where near CD.....they cut down after 14k and its about 64k-86k tops....So i would not call this near digital quality -- www.stopfcc.comI do not think the government needs to restrict free speech especially on a device that has an off knob. |
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  Spike401 Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27 Labrador | reply to login name Since when was mp3 high quality? |
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  Spike401 Fox Powered
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| reply to LordMalak said by LordMalak : The RIAA never cared about analog copying due to generation loss. Copying digital content (CD-R, digital radio, MP3, etc.) bothers them because it's a perfect, bit-by-bit copy of the original.
Are you on crack? The RIAA wants you to believe MP3's are a perfect bit by bit copy. Do you realize mp3's are like 1/10 of the original recording? Or do you believe into the RIAA propaganda? -- Join us in boycotting the Music And Film Industry Associations of America (MAFIAA) |
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  Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI
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| reply to P Ness said by P Ness : said by Nightfall : They aren't afraid of tape recorders. They are afraid of the direct inputs to the digital radio. XM Satellite Radio has a system you can hook to your PC. If you know where to look, you can purchase a output and go directly to your computer where you can record hours of digial quality music straight to your PC. I know some people who do this and use a music editing program to take the music they want and save it to mp3s.
Quite a nice little system I might add. 
But the quality is no where near CD.....they cut down after 14k and its about 64k-86k tops....So i would not call this near digital quality
XM Satellite Radio broadcasts in 128k quality. That is the quality you get when you record straight to your PC using the PC XM setup. I don't know what other digital radio stations will be using, but I know XM.  -- My Domain Nightfall's Hockey and Life Journal |
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