  Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA
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Digital radio offers "no generation loss": bit for bit fidelity of the source data. Using a tape recorder to capture music over the air is like videotaping a movie on TV: it's not going to be as good as the "official" videotape release.
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  Nightfall My Goal Is To Deny Yours Premium,MVM join:2001-08-03 Grand Rapids, MI
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| They aren't afraid of tape recorders. They are afraid of the direct inputs to the digital radio. XM Satellite Radio has a system you can hook to your PC. If you know where to look, you can purchase a output and go directly to your computer where you can record hours of digial quality music straight to your PC. I know some people who do this and use a music editing program to take the music they want and save it to mp3s.
Quite a nice little system I might add.  -- My Domain Nightfall's Hockey and Life Journal |
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  Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA
| said by Nightfall : They aren't afraid of tape recorders.
Isn't that what I said? -- Stephen J. Friedl * Security Consultant * Tustin, California USA * my web site |
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  anon_brian
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| reply to Steve No, quality has nothing to do with it from a legal point of view. The law is the law. Whether I record a snowy picture of Hollywood Squares on a 2 head VCR, or record the Sopranos from an HDTV feed directly to a DVD, the law is the same and it's my right to do so. The same applies to music.
I admit that newer technology makes pirating an increased threat. But too bad. I enjoy recording internet radio so I can use it on my PDA while offline. I enjoy Tivo because it lets me watch content at another time.
Frankly, introducing copy protection measures into a digital stream of music should be ruled as illegal.
I'm really sick of the RIAA. Their lawsuits are extortion and now they're trying to regulate things beyond their control. |
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  deadmeat Premium join:2003-03-21 Sonoma, CA | reply to Steve They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... Cause the music execs to go on welfare. -- " That's it Man, Game Over Man, Game Over." |
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  Captain_Avat
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| "They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... "
Try 35 years ago! I remember back in the 70's that the recording industry would strong-arm FM stations into not playing whole album sides to prevent people from taping their broadcast. Rumor had it that they pushed the whole talking over the intro and song endings too to foil any "bootleggers".(But I think that started back in the 50's). Back then FM, especially FM stereo was a real boon to music broadcasts. That along with ever improving recording technology more than made up for some of the loss in quality when taping. Not to mention while the audio quality of the music was pretty good most people had cheap tape players that masked most of the defects. |
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 login name Premium join:2000-08-11 | reply to Steve
So, the way you put it, the RIAA doesn't care about "pirating" or "copying" lower quality music, but they care about "pirating" or "copying" high quality music.
Um... |
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 login name Premium join:2000-08-11
| reply to anon_brian said by anon_brian: No, quality has nothing to do with it from a legal point of view. The law is the law. Whether I record a snowy picture of Hollywood Squares on a 2 head VCR, or record the Sopranos from an HDTV feed directly to a DVD, the law is the same and it's my right to do so. The same applies to music.
I admit that newer technology makes pirating an increased threat. But too bad. I enjoy recording internet radio so I can use it on my PDA while offline. I enjoy Tivo because it lets me watch content at another time.
Frankly, introducing copy protection measures into a digital stream of music should be ruled as illegal.
I'm really sick of the RIAA. Their lawsuits are extortion and now they're trying to regulate things beyond their control.
Exactly. -- "So, computers? I hear they basically break down to a bunch of ones and zeroes. I don't know how that means I can see naked womenon my screen, but God bless you people." |
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| reply to Captain_Avat said by Captain_Avat : "They were 20 years ago remember tape recorders were going to ruin the industry.... "
Try 35 years ago! I remember back in the 70's that the recording industry would strong-arm FM stations into not playing whole album sides to prevent people from taping their broadcast. Rumor had it that they pushed the whole talking over the intro and song endings too to foil any "bootleggers".(But I think that started back in the 50's). Back then FM, especially FM stereo was a real boon to music broadcasts. That along with ever improving recording technology more than made up for some of the loss in quality when taping. Not to mention while the audio quality of the music was pretty good most people had cheap tape players that masked most of the defects.
Even if you use top notch professional analog recording gear, there's STILL loss of data, especially if you want to make a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy... you get the idea. If properly encoded, a 10th generation MP3 copy will be truly identical to the original. -- SBC DSL Tech Support. |
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| reply to Nightfall said by Nightfall : They aren't afraid of tape recorders. They are afraid of the direct inputs to the digital radio. XM Satellite Radio has a system you can hook to your PC. If you know where to look, you can purchase a output and go directly to your computer where you can record hours of digial quality music straight to your PC. I know some people who do this and use a music editing program to take the music they want and save it to mp3s.
Quite a nice little system I might add. 
But the quality is no where near CD.....they cut down after 14k and its about 64k-86k tops....So i would not call this near digital quality -- www.stopfcc.comI do not think the government needs to restrict free speech especially on a device that has an off knob. |
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  Spike401 Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27 Labrador | reply to login name Since when was mp3 high quality? |
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| reply to P Ness said by P Ness : said by Nightfall : They aren't afraid of tape recorders. They are afraid of the direct inputs to the digital radio. XM Satellite Radio has a system you can hook to your PC. If you know where to look, you can purchase a output and go directly to your computer where you can record hours of digial quality music straight to your PC. I know some people who do this and use a music editing program to take the music they want and save it to mp3s.
Quite a nice little system I might add. 
But the quality is no where near CD.....they cut down after 14k and its about 64k-86k tops....So i would not call this near digital quality
XM Satellite Radio broadcasts in 128k quality. That is the quality you get when you record straight to your PC using the PC XM setup. I don't know what other digital radio stations will be using, but I know XM.  -- My Domain Nightfall's Hockey and Life Journal |
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  PliotronX My Katamari's Bigger Than Your Katamari
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| reply to LordMalak Such is the nature of analog, true. However, there is generational loss with transcoding lossy-compressed content. When digital can be copied bit for bit it's the same as the original lossy-compressed content, but who are they kidding calling satellite radio CD-quality? I'd hate to hear what they call cassette quality. |
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1 edit | reply to Spike401 said by Spike401 : Since when was mp3 high quality?
Learn how to reply correctly. I never once mentioned that mp3's were high quality. |
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 lesopp
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| reply to Steve Before the advent of digital music weren't people prosecuted for selling bootleg audio cassettes?
What is the legal difference between a 1985 scenario where music is copied via an FM broadcast for home use and a 2004 scenario where it is copied from an XM broadcast and played at home? |
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  SRFireside
join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX
| Exactly. The RIAA has no legal recourse in this since they already shot themselves in the foot saying it's okay to copy off the radio (royalties already being paid by the radio station). So all they can do is "recommend" a course a action... you know... to help the artists. |
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