dumbTNtech
join:2003-04-29
Knoxville, TN
| reply to Steve
Re: Compentant Security
Say what you will, I've been doing ISP support for four years now and I haven't seen the ICF keep anyone offline. I have seen Zone Alarm suddenly block ALL incoming and outgoing traffic for no apparent reason. Then it's a real pain to remove. The ICF in WindowsXP seems to do a very good job. The only situation where it's not helpful is when you have a trojan on your system letting someone or something in. Of course, that never happens to anyone here.......
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
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| reply to SpitefulCrow
iptables, a Linux thing. Completely off base. We are not talking about complex firewall operations (which in my opinion the FreeBSD ipfw is far superior to a simple iptables function in linux), we are talking about Windows firewalls.
Zone alarm compared to the Windows firewall that is built in. In my eyes the Windows firewall is better because it shuts up. I do not think you should have to watch a firewall, it should just do its job. How many people go through there firewall logs and actually do something about it?
PIX firewall can track and customize matching/action on every field of the frame. Even a Cisco router can do what you stated without the firewall feature set. Checkpoint firewall can do it all to. I can go on and on about how many different firewall setups are better but since you learned how to write an iptable rule congrats. |
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SpitefulCrow
Insert Witty Tag Here
Premium
join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| reply to Rhobite
said by Rhobite  :
Even the older one lets you open ports individually.
Ooh wow, opening ports. That's so great.
iptables supports connection tracking and customized matching based on almost every field in the packet/frame. |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs: | reply to Steve
Even the older one lets you open ports individually. |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
1 edit | reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684 :
Windows firewall allows you to modufy it to "open ports" or do what you wish.
The one in XP/SP2: yes. The older firewall really sucked (even though it did what it claimed).
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA | reply to SpitefulCrow
Windows firewall allows you to modufy it to "open ports" or do what you wish. |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA | reply to SpitefulCrow
<xprave>Yay for firewalls that have more than two users</xprave> |
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SpitefulCrow
Insert Witty Tag Here
Premium
join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| reply to Steve
said by Steve :
said by SpitefulCrow :
Yay for system boot procedures that load firewall code and rulesets before any kind of network interface is brought online. 
/linuxrave
<xprave>Yah for XP Service Pack 2, which does the same thing</xprave>
Yay for firewalls that give the user more control than "On" and "Off". /linuxrave |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to SpitefulCrow
said by SpitefulCrow :
Yay for system boot procedures that load firewall code and rulesets before any kind of network interface is brought online.
/linuxrave
<xprave>Yah for XP Service Pack 2, which does the same thing</xprave> |
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SpitefulCrow
Insert Witty Tag Here
Premium
join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA | reply to dave
Yay for system boot procedures that load firewall code and rulesets before any kind of network interface is brought online.
/linuxrave |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
Premium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
clubs: | reply to Steve
at least this hasn't turned into a fight between Microsoft and Linu$ Torvald$' wares.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
1 edit | reply to navalpatel
said by navalpatel :
At least ZoneAlarm is somewhat competant at what it is designed to do... compared to say anything that Microsoft may make (i.e. Windows firewall).
Don't compare the lame Windows Firewall as it is now with
what in included on the SP-2 Beta it works as well as any software firewall I have used.
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dave
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Rhobite
said by Rhobite :
Please give a specific example of what the Windows firewall fails to do. The only thing I can think of is that during startup there's a brief period of exposure before the firewall kicks in. I agree that this is a small problem but it's fixed in SP2.
...and it's not clear that ZA does not have the same exposure (see Security forum posts passim). |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
| reply to navalpatel
Please give a specific example of what the Windows firewall fails to do. The only thing I can think of is that during startup there's a brief period of exposure before the firewall kicks in. I agree that this is a small problem but it's fixed in SP2.
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to dave
said by dave :
There's one in every crowd, huh?
at least he didn't spell "Microsoft" with a $ |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to navalpatel
said by navalpatel :
At least ZoneAlarm is somewhat competant at what it is designed to do... compared to say anything that Microsoft may make (i.e. Windows firewall).
No, XP's firewall did exactly what it was designed to do; block unsolicited incoming connections. It just didn't do what you wanted it to do; block outgoing connections.
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dave
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
·Verizon Online DSL
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to navalpatel
said by navalpatel :
At least ZoneAlarm is somewhat competant at what it is designed to do... compared to say anything that Microsoft may make (i.e. Windows firewall).
There's one in every crowd, huh?
... and it's strange how they usually can't spell. |
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navalpatel
join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX | At least ZoneAlarm is somewhat competant at what it is designed to do... compared to say anything that Microsoft may make (i.e. Windows firewall). |
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