Rygel
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| [Satellite] Coax for satellite??
Recently we had Dish Network installed, the installer used existing (and very old coax) from our previous cable service.
When I had Directv installed in my old apartment the guy told me that he used a different type of cable to get a better signal.
I wondering if we would get a better signal if I used a different type of coax? If so what is it called?
We are using a switch as well. Thanks.
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drjim
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obeythelaw
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The Dish Network installer shouldn't have used the existing cable wire IF that wire was RG59. Since you said it was very old that's probably what it was. For satellite signals it should be RG6. I think that there is a newer coax out but I'm not sure what they call it. But I don't think you will see any better PQ with it. THe main difference between RG59 and RG6 when it comes to signals is that RG59 can degrade the signal more and thereby mess up the signal. That's why RG6 is better. |
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Hayward
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| RG-6 is much lower loss coax.
The output of a LNB is less strength than your typical cable signal and also higher frequency. Higher frequencies are much more prone to attenuation.
Just like UHF TV tends not to go as far as VHF even though they transmit at five to ten times the power output.
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Bichon
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Check the writing on the cable. If it isn't RG-6, I'd get the installer back. As others have said, RG-59 is not recommended for satellite use. |
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ciucca
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At the risk of being flamed... In one of my bedrooms there is RG59 cabling that is being used by a phillips receiver. I consistently get signals in the high 80's and the picture is fine. I think if your first choice should be RG6, but RG59 may work ok also, and if the installer saw that it was ok, it may be why he didn't change it.
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Jeremy341
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localhost | Nobody said RG-59 won't work, just that it's not recommended. For short runs (like yours probably is) you won't see much of a difference. |
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Rygel
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Yeah, the run to my room is the longest in the house, so that may explain my issues.
It seems to work on and off.
Hell, I don't mind running the RG-6. I started Cat 5e.
I thought it was a bit shifty that he didn't run new cable. I know for a fact that existing cable has been here since we bought the house 20 years ago.
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1 edit | Somewhere I read that if you are going to be using the dual-tuner receivers, you better have a higher grade of coax due to the higher bandwidth needs to be able to pull in two feeds at the same time.
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Hayward
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said by ciucca  :
At the risk of being flamed... In one of my bedrooms there is RG59 cabling that is being used by a phillips receiver.
It NOT that it CAN'T work, but especially if old LIKELY to be problematic and RG6 which an installer should by DEFAULT use if not already there, is the point.
That is what you are signing up for.
For CH 3/4 distribution from the receiver RG-59 may be just fine... but with a sat installation by COMPANY SPEC from the dish to receiver it should be RG-6!!
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Jeremy341
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said by trparky :
Somewhere I read that if you are going to be using the dual-tuner receivers, you better have a higher grade of coax due to the higher bandwidth needs to be able to pull in two feeds at the same time.
No. Each cable, even in a dual tuner setup, is still only pulling in one feed from the dish/multiswitch. |
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M A R K
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You should never do it that way.. |
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perryjay
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"No. Each cable, even in a dual tuner setup, is still only pulling in one feed from the dish/multiswitch."
Now you are getting into another but similar problem. If both cables are run close together with high loss cable like RG-59, the signal leaking out of one cable is going to leak into the other. This causes crosstalk degrading your signals to both. |
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ciucca
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What do you expect from a guy that is not getting paid that much, and has to by his own equipment, and supplies? If he sees that your RG59 cable is pulling in the high 80's to the low 90's he probably will NOT change it. If during the 90 day initial install guarantee that DTV gives if there are problem, by all means call and have the installer back to fix it.
What I think the problem in this country is, is that everyone wants something for nothing, this forces businesses to try to drive cost down, lowering wages, moving jobs oversee yada yada yada. |
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drjim
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He's NOT asking for something for nothing. The agreement states up to two runs, of 100', of NEW cable.
It's the cheeseball, slipshod installers that try and chintz on the installation that's at question here, NOT what he's entitled to.
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ciucca
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| If it works then its installed correctly. If its just the cable he objects to then he's nidpicking. Either run the cable yourself or tell the installer up front what you expect before he starts the job and then let him tell you if it is acceptable. If he insists on a new cable run and the installer refuses call DTV while he is there and complain, or tell him to leave.
Now if the service does not work on that receiver that's another story. If its within 90 days of the original installation call DTV they will gladly send someone back to make it right.
From what I read the installer did the job and got the service working, what more do u want???? |
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Bichon
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| said by ciucca :
If it works then its installed correctly. If its just the cable he objects to then he's nidpicking. Either run the cable yourself or tell the installer up front what you expect before he starts the job and then let him tell you if it is acceptable. If he insists on a new cable run and the installer refuses call DTV while he is there and complain, or tell him to leave.
That's absurd. It can work and not be grounded properly, causing a potential safety problem. It can work and be done sloppily, so the cabling is an eyesore. It can work with a dish mounted on a tree, such that when the tree grows (and the warranty is up), he won't get a signal. I could go on, but you get the idea.
A proper installation should be neat, conform to all applicable building codes, and done in accordance with Dish Network's guidelines. (Yes, Dish Network, not DirecTV. Re-read the original post)
If a DIYer wants to take a shortcut and use the wrong cable, that is his prerogative. But a professional installer should do the job RIGHT. |
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ciucca
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| Dish network installers are no different from DTV installers in fact sometimes they are the same person. 
If after an installation the customer should not sign off on it if it was done the way you describe. The person would be an idiot otherwise.
When I had DTV installed I talked to the installer showed him my present wiring setup, which he appreciated, discussed where the dish would be mounted, and about the R59 run into my bedroom, then left him to do his work. When he was finished we compared the signal of the R59 to the RG6 in my kids playroom, and the signal was the same on all transponders. I looked to see if the wiring was neatly run and that the grounding block was installed correctly, and signed off on the installation. I've been happy so far. I could have been a dick and made him change the R59 wiring for RG6, but why? I don't think it would have made the signal any stronger. When he left I even gave him a bottle of water since he looked kind of tired from the 2 hours he put in.
I used to be a auto service tech in my younger years, but it was the gimme, gimme, gimme, attitude of some customers that made me give it up, even though I enjoyed it. When your in the installation or service business most customer expect everything short of a BJ when work is done for them, without having to pay for it!
Regardless if its a dish install, car repair, repair on your home try, to be reasonable, the person is trying to feed his family like we all are. I not saying you should bend over and lube up, but don't expect the other guy to either. |
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Hayward
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said by ciucca :
At the risk of being flamed... In one of my bedrooms there is RG59 cabling that is being used by a phillips receiver. I consistently get signals in the high 80's and the picture is fine.
Fine for YOU, but likely with RG-6 you would be getting 90's to 100%
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stonecolddsl
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First off I never seen so much bickering....
Ok here are the general guide lines for Satellite.
If you have a DTV or older Legacy dishnet setup( with out multi- switches on either of them you could get away with rg59 but the manuals suggest that you dont use it. And that the preffered install method is with RG6/QS and it was almost a requirement if you were going to use a multi satellite switch.
Now lets fast foward with Dish Pro LNBS YOU CAN NOT USE RG59 and not get problems with Dish Pro equipment... Do to a technology call Band stacking it puts pushes more on the cable. and using rg59 will cause the recivers not to see transponders or complete satellite locations.
For the ones who have no idea what so specail about band stacking is here basicly what it allows dishnetwork to do. in the old days you need to cables from each satellite locations (110, 119, 61.5) to tie into your multiswitch 1 for Even transponders and the other for Odd transponders as the recivers would send 13 volts down the line for one and 18 volts down for the other. Now it all that has to leave from the satellite is 1 wire per location so 110 119 61.5 So they droped it from being 6 wires down to just 3.
RG59 can not handle that kinda of load that the dish pro technology puts on it.
Also if the guy i assume is rygel did not like the fact that the installer used exsiting coax then he should of called the number on the piece of paper he signed off on... as it has the installers company name and number. Told this guys boss what he did and would of made him fix it right there. |
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