RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
|  reply to whybother8
Re: Blocking port 25? Privacy invasion!
said by whybother:
That's what they want. Take the business elsewhere and really teach them a lesson. Before you sign up though, read your TOS this time. Ask them directly if you can use their server for your uses, get it in writing.
This is not the case since the Verizon (really BANET since they later force moved me to Verizon.Net when they shut down BANET.NET) TOS when I signed up ALLOWED me to send Email no matter what the From Address was. Even if I am allowed to do so at Sign-Up time, the other ISP can pull a Verizon later. Note that I am not addressing if Verizon should have the ability to refuse to relay my Email if I do not use my Verizon Account Address in the From. I am addressing the issue of Verizon REFUSING to accept my Verizon Email when I am not using Verizon Connectivity EVEN THOUGH their policy on my sending NON-Verizon Email when using Verizon connectivity is "Use THEIR Server". Thus they are unwilling to follow their own STATED rules (ie: I can not "Use THEIR [ie: Verizon's] Server" when not connected to the Verizon Network). |
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whybother8
join:2001-06-07
London, ON
| reply to RARPSL
That's what they want. Take the business elsewhere and really teach them a lesson. Before you sign up though, read your TOS this time. Ask them directly if you can use their server for your uses, get it in writing.
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
|  reply to whybother8
said by whybother:
Unless you pay for hosting, NO-ONE allows others to access their servers. This is why we all have different "handles"...@home.com;@verizon.net;@whatever.org...all are different domains and the extension tells us who has rights to what. Usually, only those who pay have the rights.
As I've noted before, Verizon is NOT allowing unrestricted SMTP Server access to their customers for Verizon Email even though, to quote you, "They have Paid for it".
Right now, I can only use the Verizon Servers to send my Verizon Email IF I am at that time using Verizon Connectivity (ie: A Verizon ADSL Line or a Verizon POTS/ISDN dial-Up Gateway). If I want to send mail over that line from my example.com account, I am told by Verizon to connect to an example.com SMTP Server. I can accept this. The problem is that when I use example.com (or some other ISP's) connectivity, and try to access the Verizon SMTP Server to send my Verizon Email (as Verizon wants me to do for non-Verizon Email when using THEIR Connectivity), I'm refused access THAT I HAVE PAID FOR due to Verizon's refusal to offer SMTP AUTH (POP BEFORE SMTP or POP XTND XMIT) as a way to bypass the "DROP DEAD - YOU'RE NOT ON OUR LAN" Rules for access to the SMTP Server. |
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whybother8
join:2001-06-07
London, ON
|  reply to richb01803
Why is this even an issue? Focus should be on the fact that Verizon made a gross error right from the beginning. Why was such a big mistake allowed to continue for so long? The best thing that Verizon could have done was admit that their system was lacking in any kind of security right from the get-go, apologize, and fix it.
Unless you pay for hosting, NO-ONE allows others to access their servers. This is why we all have different "handles"...@home.com;@verizon.net;@whatever.org...all are different domains and the extension tells us who has rights to what. Usually, only those who pay have the rights. The fact that verizon customers have not had to worry about this before now should in it's self be worrisome. That means that the potential for trouble has been a hackers dream from the beginning.
The ONLY Verizon customers that will be affected are those who have, for some strange reason, been allowed to host their own domains (for free) for all of this time. They simply need to pay someone to provide web hosting for them, and they will pay for it, and life can continue on as usual. They now have to pay for a service that they have been getting for free all this time.
Different companies employ different methods, but they all do it. Get out of the dark. ha-ha-ha 
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