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You can't understand why FOX NEWS is considered conservative?? Wake up!! Ever watch any of their programs like Hannity & Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor? FOX NEWS is run and owned by conservatives. They are the worst when it comes to reporting the facts. They report what the conservatives want to hear. If you believe you're getting factual information from FOX, you are just one of the many blind sheep being led by FAUX NEWS.

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said by stickside :

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You can't understand why FOX NEWS is considered conservative?? Wake up!! Ever watch any of their programs like Hannity & Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor? FOX NEWS is run and owned by conservatives. They are the worst when it comes to reporting the facts. They report what the conservatives want to hear. If you believe you're getting factual information from FOX, you are just one of the many blind sheep being led by FAUX NEWS.

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LOL!!! I laugh at your bias, and yet you probably think that CNN, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC are all "objective"... pfft...

I doubt you've ever even watched Hannity & Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor. If you did, you'd know that Colmes is a hardcore liberal, and O'Reilley (now) has to play a moderate.

I'm really sick of people like you saying that Fox is biased, and "worst when it comes to reporting the facts", because you my friend are the one being led to believe whatever CNN, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC chose to feed you.

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said by stickside :

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You can't understand why FOX NEWS is considered conservative?? Wake up!! Ever watch any of their programs like Hannity & Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor? FOX NEWS is run and owned by conservatives. They are the worst when it comes to reporting the facts. They report what the conservatives want to hear. If you believe you're getting factual information from FOX, you are just one of the many blind sheep being led by FAUX NEWS.

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LOL!!! I laugh at your bias, and yet you probably think that CNN, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC are all "objective"... pfft...

I doubt you've ever even watched Hannity & Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor. If you did, you'd know that Colmes is a hardcore liberal, and O'Reilley (now) has to play a moderate.

I'm really sick of people like you saying that Fox is biased, and "worst when it comes to reporting the facts", because you my friend are the one being led to believe whatever CNN, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC chose to feed you.

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Sheeps in general will believe anything being fed to them whether it is true or not, buhahaha!
What can I say? owned...

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said by stickside :

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You can't understand why FOX NEWS is considered conservative?? Wake up!! Ever watch any of their programs like Hannity & Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor? FOX NEWS is run and owned by conservatives. They are the worst when it comes to reporting the facts. They report what the conservatives want to hear. If you believe you're getting factual information from FOX, you are just one of the many blind sheep being led by FAUX NEWS.

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LOL!!! I laugh at your bias, and yet you probably think that CNN, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC are all "objective"... pfft...

I doubt you've ever even watched Hannity & Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor. If you did, you'd know that Colmes is a hardcore liberal, and O'Reilley (now) has to play a moderate.

I'm really sick of people like you saying that Fox is biased, and "worst when it comes to reporting the facts", because you my friend are the one being led to believe whatever CNN, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC chose to feed you.

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Sheeps in general will believe anything being fed to them whether it is true or not, buhahaha!
What can I say? owned...

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What the heck is that supposed to mean? Seriously...

I believe You my friend are 0wn3d, 0wn3d by the Democratic party...

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said by frootloops9 :

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Mr. Moore had to submit his movie to the Whitehouse for approval (making sure it didn't have any sensitive material). If they (the President and Vice President) are so scared, why didn't they just shoot the movie down?

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Don't forget...thousands died because Bush lied.

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said by moonpuppy :

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said by stickside :

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Don't forget...thousands died because Bush lied.

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And many more died at the hands of Wilson, FDR, Truman and Kennedy/Johnson.

Learn history.

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And many more died at the hands of Wilson, FDR, Truman and Kennedy/Johnson.

Learn history.
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You want to tell me just what your point here is? What exactly did these Presidents lie about to wage war on another country?

Kennedy???? Kennedy wanted to get our troops out of VietNam. He was against the war, which is why some back then called him a communist,and ultimately led to his assassination. I'm afraid you need to go back and re-learn your history. However, I am still interested in hearing exactly what these past leaders lied about that led to the deaths of thousands of people.

Before you make a statement like that, you'd better be prepared to provide some facts.

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You want to tell me just what your point here is? What exactly did these Presidents lie about to wage war on another country?

Kennedy???? Kennedy wanted to get our troops out of VietNam. He was against the war, which is why some back then called him a communist,and ultimately led to his assassination. I'm afraid you need to go back and re-learn your history. However, I am still interested in hearing exactly what these past leaders lied about that led to the deaths of thousands of people.

Before you make a statement like that, you'd better be prepared to provide some facts.

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If this list was made up of one, two, or even ten people you could plausibly argue that none of them were related to their relationship with Bill Clinton. And, even given the size of the following list, you can no doubt plausibly argue that SOME of these peoples' deaths are not related to their relationship to Bill Clinton.

But can you really believe that NONE of them are?

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack while in solitary confinement. According to the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram of Sept. 11, 1998, he died after being denied his nitroglycerine pills . He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - Former White House intern who was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just before she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House. The murder was an execution-style professional hit. No money was taken. She was a close friend of Monica Lewinsky's. Monica is on tape saying she feared for her life after her friend was killed.

Vince Foster - Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Far too many mysterious "coincidences" to go into here. See

»www.assumption.edu/WebVAX/Foster/index.html

»www.assumption.edu/WebVAX/Foster···v95.html

»www.all-natural.com/foster-1.html

»www.aci.net/kalliste/part36.htm

and many more (do a search for Vince Foster death (no quotes) and be amazed!)

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Officially reported to have died in a plane crash, along with numerous DNC contributors, into a mountain during a fierce storm. It was actually a bright, sunny day. The White House refused to allow the Air Force to investigate the crash, the first time in American history that the crash of an Air Force plane was not investigated by the Air Force. Air Force Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell, a medical doctor, forensic pathologist and deputy medical examiner with the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, has released photos and x-rays which purport to show that Commerce Secretary Ron Brown had a gunshot wound in his head following his airplane crash in Croatia last year. Dr. Cogswell disputes the official explanation of the hole -- that it was a superficial wound inconsistent with a gunshot. He says brain matter is visible in the wound, indicating the skull was penetrated.

Dr. Cogswell is no conspiracy nut. He is in charge of training at AFIP.

Air Force Col. William Gormley, the pathologist who signed off on the Brown case for the government, has changed his story. After being confronted with the autopsy photographs, he now renounces earlier statements suggesting the hole didn't penetrate the skull. Brain matter is clearly visible in the photographs -- which, strangely, had been "lost" by the government

There was one survivor of the crash, a nurse, and at least one paramedic at the scene said she was not critically injured. She died in an ambulance of a wound she reportedly did not have when she was put aboard the ambulance..

No autopsy was performed on Brown, though Dr.Cogswell urged that the procedure be conducted. He also believes an autopsy should have been performed on Brown's aide, Naomi Warbasse, because examiners could not determine her cause of death. Army Lt. Col. David Hause, a deputy medical examiner at the AFIP, examined Brown's body and the wound and agrees with Dr. Cogswell and others that it did seem to be a gunshot wound -- one that approximates the size of a .45-caliber round.

Cogswell also notes that the original x-ray, which, he says, showed a "lead snowstorm," typical of a gunshot wound, has been replaced by investigators with another one. However, Cogswell still has in his possession a photographic copy of the now missing x-ray.

Dr. Martin Fackler, former director of the Army's Wound Ballistics Laboratory in San Francisco, also examined the photos. "I'm impressed with how very, very round that hole is," he said. "That's unusual except for a gunshot wound. It's unusual for anything else." He said he could not rule it a gunshot wound without an autopsy, and expressed shock that one was not conducted.

"They didn't do an autopsy?!!," he said. "My God. It's astounding!"

Today, after examining the photographic and x-ray evidence, one of the nation's most prominent forensic pathologists sticks his neck out to agree with their findings. Dr. Cyril Wecht of Pittsburgh said there was "more than enough" evidence to suggest possible homicide in Brown's death to warrant an autopsy.

"It's not even arguable in the field of medical legal investigations whether an autopsy should have been conducted on Brown," said Wecht, who has conducted some 13,000 autopsies himself and reviewed approximately 30,000 others. "I'll wager you can't find a forensic pathologist in America who will say Brown should not have been autopsied."

In this case, you can forget political motivations being behind Wecht's outspokenness. He is a prominent Democrat.

The military has begun an investigation -- but not of the circumstances of Brown's death. Rather, authorities are probing whistleblower Cogswell. He has been placed under virtual house arrest

At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. Some claim to have knowledge of a meeting between Brown and Clinton shortly before the crash in which Brown told Clinton that unless he was willing to do whatever was necessary to protect Brown from prosecution (which could have implicated Clinton), that he would go public with what he knew about DNC fund-raising, the Asian connection, the Chinese contributions to the Clinton re-election campaign, etc. -- some of which has become public knowledge.

Some in the intelligence community believe that the plane was beamed a false directional signal that guided it into the side of a mountain. Both of the civilian air traffic controllers in the tower at the time of the crash committed "suicide" within two months.

See: »www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1b4ac91e94.htm

»tribune-review.com/ruddy/112497.html

»www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/···rown.htm

C. Victor Raiser II - & Montgomery Raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund-raising organization. Died in a private plane crash, July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson. Was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head, May, 1994. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was codefendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound -- also ruled a suicide -- at the gravesite of his fiancée.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater. Died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal/Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Told a friend shortly before he died that the extent of the corruption in the Clinton Administration he was uncovering was far more widespread than he first suspected and called it "The Octopus": A vast, interlocking network of criminal conspiracy that reaches into every branch and agency of the U.S. government, many other national governments, and every sector of our society. Danny told his friends he was meeting an informant to "bring back the head of the Octopus" when his body was found in the Martinsburg, W. Va. Sheraton on August 10, 1991. We are to believe that he killed himself in the middle of his investigation. Much of the evidence he had gathered was missing. See:

»www.constitution.org/col/octocaso.htm

»www.scruznet.com/~paul/Octopus/C···mes.html

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro. Found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance. Died shortly thereafter in a small plane
crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small
plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas. Death was no accident. »www.ndsn.org/NOV95/ARKANSAS.html »www.maraleveritt.com/fbi-seal-files-jpg.htm »www.ndsn.org/NOV95/ARKANSAS.html

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Johnny Franklin Lawhorn Jr., 29, the transmission shop owner who discovered Whitewater documents and a cashier's check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car, was killed when his car struck a utility pole as he shot out of a service station at high speed directly into the pole.

Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug
operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had
been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS ALLEGEDLY HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July,1988

Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a setup robbery July 1989

THE FOLLOWING BODYGUARDS DIED WITHIN A SHORT TIME AFTER LEAVING CLINTON'S SERVICE:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

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said by moonpuppy :

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Here are some deaths that some say Clinton was responsible for:

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said by moonpuppy :

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Here are some deaths that some say Clinton was responsible for:

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»www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

This urban legend has been going on for years now. You gotta check your facts. Otherwise we'll have to actually believe the Bush body count myth that's been going around too.

Oh yeah some of the stuff you said about past presidents and wars:

WWI was justified. England were our allies so we had every right to supply them for their war. And it wasn't the English that sank the Lucitania.

WWII was justified. We had every right to put an embargo on goods to Japan for messing with one of our allies. That's why they are called allies. There are other theories as to why Japan attacked Pear Harbor that are just as easily accepted as well. Care to mention those too? Oh yeah... Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are two totally different instances. A terrorist attack is not the same as a military strike.

Vietnam. The war wasn't justified but don't you have any REAL evidence to link Kennedy?

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Running Scared? From what...Michael Moore presenting nothing but a bunch of un-backed up opinion. I don't see anybody running scared.

The fact is most of what Moore says isn't backed up by any credible evidence or is just plane untrue.

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The truth can be painted both ways. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you start bashing Bush.

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said by SRFireside :

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Oh yeah some of the stuff you said about past presidents and wars:

WWI was justified. England were our allies so we had every right to supply them for their war. And it wasn't the English that sank the Lucitania.

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WWII was justified. We had every right to put an embargo on goods to Japan for messing with one of our allies. That's why they are called allies. There are other theories as to why Japan attacked Pear Harbor that are just as easily accepted as well. Care to mention those too? Oh yeah... Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are two totally different instances. A terrorist attack is not the same as a military strike.

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Vietnam. The war wasn't justified but don't you have any REAL evidence to link Kennedy?

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In many ways, this early rhetoric foreshadowed John Kennedy's presidential rhetoric on Vietnam. From 1961 to 1963, President Kennedy invoked idealistic terms to encourage Americans to view the conflict there as one small part of the larger struggle between freedom and communism. According to the President, the United States had to do whatever was necessary to defend freedom's Vietnam. Alternately, Kennedy explained that the situation in Vietnam was quite complicated and unique because of that nation's particular history, government, logistics, and legal relationship with the U.S. In view of these complexities, the President held that the United States must pragmatically pursue very special policies in order to fulfill its mission in Vietnam.

from: »mcadams.posc.mu.edu/goldzwig.htm

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said by attsbcisgay :

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Let's not live in the past and get on with the present! Who cares about something that happened a century ago or a decade ago?

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said by moonpuppy :

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said by attsbcisgay :

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Let's not live in the past and get on with the present! Who cares about something that happened a century ago or a decade ago?

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Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

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